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dad4 said:
Evidence:

You are arguing that, because lack of opportunity is an issue, lack of success must not be an issue.

Not logical. Why can't I believe that lack of opportunity is one important issue among many?
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Incorrect. I’m saying I have never advocated for or against the success of black folks. I’m saying the issue that blacks folks are raising now and in the past is the lack of equal opportunity.
Finally, I’m saying debating success is a red herring.
 
MacDre said:
Incorrect. I’m saying I have never advocated for or against the success of black folks. I’m saying the issue that blacks folks are raising now and in the past is the lack of equal opportunity.
Finally, I’m saying debating success is a red herring.
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There it is again. “the issue”.

Lack of opportunity is an issue, and one that I agree is important.

Now why should I believe it is “the issue”, to the exclusion of all other issues?
 
dad4 said:
There it is again. “the issue”.

Lack of opportunity is an issue, and one that I agree is important.

Now why should I believe it is “the issue”, to the exclusion of all other issues?
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It doesn’t matter what you believe. This is not about you. Look at the history. Was overturning separate but EQUAL about success or equality? Were Dr. Kings speeches about success or equality?

Your piss poor attempt to throw a red herring at me is a clear example of what modern day racism often looks like. It’s kinda pathetic that you want to pontificate about the success or lack their of for a group that never had equality.

I see you don’t want to debate the lack of equality in the black community because you know I will destroy you too.

Talking about success is not my job.
 
MacDre said:
It doesn’t matter what you believe. This is not about you. Look at the history. Was overturning separate but EQUAL about success or equality? Were Dr. Kings speeches about success or equality?

Your piss poor attempt to throw a red herring at me is a clear example of what modern day racism often looks like. It’s kinda pathetic that you want to pontificate about the success or lack their of for a group that never had equality.

I see you don’t want to debate the lack of equality in the black community because you know I will destroy you too.

Talking about success is not my job.
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Ok. It doesn’t matter what I believe.

Why should anyone believe that lack of equal opportunity is the issue, to the exclusion of all other issues?

I‘m not debating you about lack of opportunity, because I sense we agree it is part of the problem.

I am debating you about whether there are other parts of the problem that also need to be addressed.

And why bother with “piss poor”, “i will destroy you” and the trash talk? You just repeated the same argument and added “whoo yeah, I crushed you.”. And tossed in a sideways racism accusation.

Can you, without bragging or accusing me of racism, tell me why historic and current lack of opportunity should be considered the ONLY issue?

Or, do we agree that there is more than one underlying problem, and we can stop arguing about it?
 
dad4 said:
Ok. It doesn’t matter what I believe.

Why should anyone believe that lack of equal opportunity is the issue, to the exclusion of all other issues?

I‘m not debating you about lack of opportunity, because I sense we agree it is part of the problem.

I am debating you about whether there are other parts of the problem that also need to be addressed.

And why bother with “piss poor”, “i will destroy you” and the trash talk? You just repeated the same argument and added “whoo yeah, I crushed you.”. And tossed in a sideways racism accusation.

Can you, without bragging or accusing me of racism, tell me why historic and current lack of opportunity should be considered the ONLY issue?

Or, do we agree that there is more than one underlying problem, and we can stop arguing about it?
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Because equal opportunity is and has been the issue that aggrieved blacks have raised. Blacks are successful without equal opportunity so equal opportunity will enhance their success.

I also don’t think the issues that plague the black community can be accurately assessed until their is equal opportunity because it turns into a situation where you are blaming the victim.
 
MacDre said:
Because equal opportunity is and has been the issue that aggrieved blacks have raised. Blacks are successful without equal opportunity so equal opportunity will enhance their success.

I also don’t think the issues that plague the black community can be accurately assessed until their is equal opportunity because it turns into a situation where you are blaming the victim.
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Not disputed. Lack of opportunity is an important issue.

If we also agree that there are other important issues, such as those raised by #enoughisenough, then we simply agree.

If you claim that the other issues do not exist, then your side has failed to make its argument.
 
MacDre said:
Because equal opportunity is and has been the issue that aggrieved blacks have raised. Blacks are successful without equal opportunity so equal opportunity will enhance their success.

I also don’t think the issues that plague the black community can be accurately assessed until their is equal opportunity because it turns into a situation where you are blaming the victim.
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Give me 3 examples of black people not having equal opportunity.
 
dad4 said:
Not disputed. Lack of opportunity is an important issue.

If we also agree that there are other important issues, such as those raised by #enoughisenough, then we simply agree.

If you claim that the other issues do not exist, then your side has failed to make its argument.
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Listen, other issues exist in the black community the same way issues exist and persist in other communities. Moreover, the standard is not the black community needs to eradicate all issues before anyone can address grievances.
If you are trying to imply that blacks need to take some responsibility. I again invite to look very closely at the Black Panther Party to understand how we got here.

Again, the position you’re taking is racist because you are attempting to minimize the lack of equal opportunity in the black community by pointing out issues that plague the black community and other communities too.

Would you leave room for the possibility that many of the issues plaguing the black community are the result of inequality?

Why isn’t your comment just, we need equality for all?

Why do you feel a need to find fault in the black community when a valid grievance is raised?
 
MacDre said:
Life. Liberty. And the pursuit of happiness.
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Well, you take your own lives... so that's your fault.
Liberty? You have the same liberties as everyone else. So that's bullshit.
The pursuit of of happiness. You still sitting around waiting for reparations to pay your rent?

That's what I thought, Dre. Everytime I challenge you to back up your bullshit... you run the other direction.
 
MacDre said:
Listen, other issues exist in the black community the same way issues exist and persist in other communities. Moreover, the standard is not the black community needs to eradicate all issues before anyone can address grievances.
If you are trying to imply that blacks need to take some responsibility. I again invite to look very closely at the Black Panther Party to understand how we got here.

Again, the position you’re taking is racist because you are attempting to minimize the lack of equal opportunity in the black community by pointing out issues that plague the black community and other communities too.

Would you leave room for the possibility that many of the issues plaguing the black community are the result of inequality?

Why isn’t your comment just, we need equality for all?

Why do you feel a need to find fault in the black community when a valid grievance is raised?
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Second time this thread you came out with the racism accusation.

Ok. We agree that there are multiple issues. You can try to dig yourself deeper by claiming all of the issues are just symptoms of a single cause. But that argument won’t hold up either.

Or, we can accept it is a complicated set of problems with multiple causes, both internal and external. And which requires multuple solutions, both internal and external.

I can’t agree with you that all communities have these same issues at a similar scale. The statistics don’t support you on that. It’s not even close.

My community ( mostly middle class tech geeks ) has a different set of issues. I’d say selfish and entitled resource consumption is a much bigger problem for us than violence. We live more than a little too high on the hog, and we get pretty darn defensive when someone points it out. A big issue, but a very different one.
 
dad4 said:
Second time this thread you came out with the racism accusation.

Ok. We agree that there are multiple issues. You can try to dig yourself deeper by claiming all of the issues are just symptoms of a single cause. But that argument won’t hold up either.

Or, we can accept it is a complicated set of problems with multiple causes, both internal and external. And which requires multuple solutions, both internal and external.

I can’t agree with you that all communities have these same issues at a similar scale. The statistics don’t support you on that. It’s not even close.

My community ( mostly middle class tech geeks ) has a different set of issues. I’d say selfish and entitled resource consumption is a much bigger problem for us than violence. We live more than a little too high on the hog, and we get pretty darn defensive when someone points it out. A big issue, but a very different one.
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I reassert my allegation of racism because your reply was vague and non-responsive. Could you please answer my questions with specificity?
 
MacDre said:
Maybe the problem with your understanding is that you are framing the issue wrong. The issue is not success or lack there of. The issue is the lack of equal opportunity.

Got it hard charger? Let’s isolate the issue and debate. I will destroy you like those that preceded you because I have the truth on my side.The
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Sometimes people make their own opportunities through hard work and dedication. As an example, Marcyliena Morgan, Lawrence Bobo, Mae Jemison, Ronald McNair, Fred Gregory, Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Marian Anderson, Louis Armstrong, Sammy Davis Jr., Billie Holiday, James Van Der Zee, Percy Julian, Katherine Johnson, Alexa Canady. The list can go on and on. We can all find excuses for our failures and lack of success. These amazing individuals did not let anything stop them. We should all be so determined.
 
Copa9 said:
Sometimes people make their own opportunities through hard work and dedication. As an example, Marcyliena Morgan, Lawrence Bobo, Mae Jemison, Ronald McNair, Fred Gregory, Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Marian Anderson, Louis Armstrong, Sammy Davis Jr., Billie Holiday, James Van Der Zee, Percy Julian, Katherine Johnson, Alexa Canady. The list can go on and on. We can all find excuses for our failures and lack of success. These amazing individuals did not let anything stop them. We should all be so determined.
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Again the issue is not success. All communities have success stories and failures. The issue is now and has always been the lack of equal opportunity.
 
dad4 said:
That's three.

Enjoy name calling. But I am out for now.
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I am not name calling. I am politely explaining to you why your actions are racist. I didn’t just call you a name, I explained why your actions are racist. I also answered all of your questions.

Why can’t I call your actions racist if I explain why? How can we progress if I can’t raise issues?

Finally, if you feel so righteous please answer my questions with specificity?

One more thing, how do you feel I could be more tactful in telling someone their actions are racist?
 
MacDre said:
I am not name calling. I am politely explaining to you why your actions are racist. I didn’t just call you a name, I explained why your actions are racist. I also answered all of your questions.

Why can’t I call your actions racist if I explain why? How can we progress if I can’t raise issues?

Finally, if you feel so righteous please answer my questions with specificity?

One more thing, how do you feel I could be more tactful in telling someone their actions are racist?
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We can't progress but you refuse to acknowledge the elephant in the room... blacks refusing to look in the mirror and be held accountable.

The only "racist" issues you're ever will to address are pointing the finger at everyone else.
 
The Outlaw said:
We can't progress but you refuse to acknowledge the elephant in the room... blacks refusing to look in the mirror and be held accountable.

The only "racist" issues you're ever will to address are pointing the finger at everyone else.
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I invite you to answer my questions with specificity too. Also, your analysis is weak and very ethnocentric.
 
MacDre said:
I invite you to answer my questions with specificity too. Also, your analysis is weak and very ethnocentric.
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Really? I ask you to name innocent blacks killed by police and you run. I ask you to give me 3 examples of how black people are denied opportunity and you give me some bullshit deflection.

You don't have any specifics because you're full of shit. If you have specific questions, let's hear them.
 
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