Cal South, phases 0 through 2, permits, and 2021

You aren't being rational. Take a deep breath and please try again. Cases are not going to go down until we all take some shared responsibility. The only way to get to phase 3 of Cal South's guidelines, as far as I can tell, is for us to lower the number of cases, not "explore the western frontier". If there was some magic incantation to get to phase 3, without just posting and adding on more exclamation points, don't you think that every single club in the southland would be doing it right now? Don't you think your kid would be getting very specific instructions from her club about what her responsibility is in reducing the number of cases?

That's why I created this thread and it's very clear that nobody has the answer of how we get to phase 3 of the return to play guidelines without throwing out platitudes of "living life" or somesuch. I would love love love to be proven wrong; someone please show me the specific steps that get us back to playing more than scrimmages.
Let's be rational. I'm here to say what the kids were doing at soccer camp was healthy and clean and zero risk. Is that not rational? I went to Stater Bros today and this is in Leisure world. The place was packed. 5 people in each line and all standing on their "X" and everyone was whering there're masks. Every single soul in that store was wearing a mask. Did you hear that? Also, at the great park, everyone was wearing a mask. Did you hear that? I know the 75 year old man that was my bagger. His name is Ralph and his older brother Von. I told them both they are studs and should get triple pay. These guys are on the front lines and their older than 75. I'm serious. Get the kids back in school and let them do exercise. No games for now but that should happen soon. Get busy dead or get busy living.......
 
I would love love love to be proven wrong; someone please show me the specific steps that get us back to playing more than scrimmages.

There aren’t any. Just like there aren’t any with the schools...the mess they are proposing is just unworkable which is why everyone from t on down is freaking out. We’re at the point where you take the risk or you don’t and lock it all down (and as others have said then don’t ask the poor air con man to come into your homes either, and close things like the adult gyms and the protests which don’t appear to be any less risky than distanced soccer).
 
There aren’t any. Just like there aren’t any with the schools...the mess they are proposing is just unworkable which is why everyone from t on down is freaking out. We’re at the point where you take the risk or you don’t and lock it all down (and as others have said then don’t ask the poor air con man to come into your homes either, and close things like the adult gyms and the protests which don’t appear to be any less risky than distanced soccer).
Why all or nothing? A dichotomy is easy to understand and articulate, but there is no logical reason that says if we close bars we must also close preschools. We have the option of being smart. We just aren't using it.
 
Back to step 0-1. Restart after youth sports guidance is issued.

Cal South needs to rethink since camps where never meant to be used for youth sports drills or practice according to the pubic state heath office. Need to wait until youth sports guidance is issued.
It happened because someone called and asked for their opinion in Orange County. San Diego County is still moving along with their practices. This is just OC issue for now (of course excluding LA)
 
We should start a big social media campaign including petition to get youth sports guidelines for OC. If nobody makes any noise it won't happen until March
 
Texas clubs are scrimmaging and playing now. And cases are “exploding” in Texas. This is all political bull crap. Crap science, crap leaders, and crap school administrators that are just puppets of the Newsome regime. Stay safe, wear a mask, practice social distancing when possible, and let your kids play! If they don’t put out guidelines, we do it our own way. And we won’t stop, just like protesters don’t stop. ElleJustus, I feel you and I’m with you. Let the kids play, or we will do it our way!
 
Texas clubs are scrimmaging and playing now. And cases are “exploding” in Texas. This is all political bull crap. Crap science, crap leaders, and crap school administrators that are just puppets of the Newsome regime. Stay safe, wear a mask, practice social distancing when possible, and let your kids play! If they don’t put out guidelines, we do it our own way. And we won’t stop, just like protesters don’t stop. ElleJustus, I feel you and I’m with you. Let the kids play, or we will do it our way!
“Puppets of the Newsome regime.”
You didn’t really say that, did you? These issues are in Florida, Virginia, lots of places.
You’re angry, we understand that.
This is frustrating for all of us.
 
“Puppets of the Newsome regime.”
You didn’t really say that, did you?
You’re angry, we understand that.
This is frustrating for all of us.
Of course I said that. We just had a district meeting, and all these cats are scared to come out of there house! They sound just like Newsome, trying to scare everybody. Yes I’m pissed off; kindergardeners at home for distance learning??? WTF is this?
 
Of course I said that. We just had a district meeting, and all these cats are scared to come out of there house! They sound just like Newsome, trying to scare everybody. Yes I’m pissed off; kindergardeners at home for distance learning??? WTF is this?
Our public schools have been trending this way for sometime, they're being run in the best interests of the teachers, and not the students. The teachers have the representation of the California teachers' union which arguably has the strongest political influence of any organization in the State. The kids only representation is noisy parents.
 
Texas clubs are scrimmaging and playing now. And cases are “exploding” in Texas. This is all political bull crap. Crap science, crap leaders, and crap school administrators that are just puppets of the Newsome regime. Stay safe, wear a mask, practice social distancing when possible, and let your kids play! If they don’t put out guidelines, we do it our own way. And we won’t stop, just like protesters don’t stop. ElleJustus, I feel you and I’m with you. Let the kids play, or we will do it our way!
Nobody is stopping families from setting up their own arrangements for soccer training. I know of one local coach that has a track record of helping girls play high level D1 soccer who has regular training sessions. I go my community park with my soccer kids to get fresh air, and I watch them train as if there is no COVID-19. Go do your thing. God bless you. I want no part of it for my family.

My wife and I also go to work and see the impact that COVID-19 is having in the community and in the hospital. It is getting worse every day. It is getting worse every day.

We are not taking our kids to non-essential club soccer group activities. We are avoiding you because we do not want to catch the disease or give your family the disease through club soccer training. Importantly, my situation is likely not that different from yours except that I have access to PPE to care for patients, and I assume that everyone is COVID-19 positive.

This is not a theoretical problem. The pandemic is real, and my hope is that we can all work together to salvage as much as possible of the life that we knew before.

If you need to come here to vent, fine. If you really don’t see what is happening, try to get a different perspective so you can see more.

This disease is going to spread until herd immunity is achieved. The only question is, how fast? The difference between fast and slow is the difference between a plane crashing and a plane landing.

All this talk about “outdoor activity” and “kicking the ball around” doesn’t square with our experience with youth soccer. My kids love to be close to their teammates on the sidelines between drills. If my kid wasn’t in your kid’s face for 90-minutes during games, especially on corner kicks, we would be talking about it on the ride home.

Not every family is the same. If your family really needs this to avoid household violence, please find it. Not everyone can go to a vacation home to surf or cycle.

If you have a choice but just don’t want to accept the new reality, you will regret seeing me in the hospital - not because you are seeing me but because I am seeing you.

Best of luck to all. Please be kind and safe.
 
Nobody is stopping families from setting up their own arrangements for soccer training. I know of one local coach that has a track record of helping girls play high level D1 soccer who has regular training sessions. I go my community park with my soccer kids to get fresh air, and I watch them train as if there is no COVID-19. Go do your thing. God bless you. I want no part of it for my family.

My wife and I also go to work and see the impact that COVID-19 is having in the community and in the hospital. It is getting worse every day. It is getting worse every day.

We are not taking our kids to non-essential club soccer group activities. We are avoiding you because we do not want to catch the disease or give your family the disease through club soccer training. Importantly, my situation is likely not that different from yours except that I have access to PPE to care for patients, and I assume that everyone is COVID-19 positive.

This is not a theoretical problem. The pandemic is real, and my hope is that we can all work together to salvage as much as possible of the life that we knew before.

If you need to come here to vent, fine. If you really don’t see what is happening, try to get a different perspective so you can see more.

This disease is going to spread until herd immunity is achieved. The only question is, how fast? The difference between fast and slow is the difference between a plane crashing and a plane landing.

All this talk about “outdoor activity” and “kicking the ball around” doesn’t square with our experience with youth soccer. My kids love to be close to their teammates on the sidelines between drills. If my kid wasn’t in your kid’s face for 90-minutes during games, especially on corner kicks, we would be talking about it on the ride home.

Not every family is the same. If your family really needs this to avoid household violence, please find it. Not everyone can go to a vacation home to surf or cycle.

If you have a choice but just don’t want to accept the new reality, you will regret seeing me in the hospital - not because you are seeing me but because I am seeing you.

Best of luck to all. Please be kind and safe.
Very Brave
 
Nobody is stopping families from setting up their own arrangements for soccer training. I know of one local coach that has a track record of helping girls play high level D1 soccer who has regular training sessions. I go my community park with my soccer kids to get fresh air, and I watch them train as if there is no COVID-19. Go do your thing. God bless you. I want no part of it for my family.

My wife and I also go to work and see the impact that COVID-19 is having in the community and in the hospital. It is getting worse every day. It is getting worse every day.

We are not taking our kids to non-essential club soccer group activities. We are avoiding you because we do not want to catch the disease or give your family the disease through club soccer training. Importantly, my situation is likely not that different from yours except that I have access to PPE to care for patients, and I assume that everyone is COVID-19 positive.

This is not a theoretical problem. The pandemic is real, and my hope is that we can all work together to salvage as much as possible of the life that we knew before.

If you need to come here to vent, fine. If you really don’t see what is happening, try to get a different perspective so you can see more.

This disease is going to spread until herd immunity is achieved. The only question is, how fast? The difference between fast and slow is the difference between a plane crashing and a plane landing.

All this talk about “outdoor activity” and “kicking the ball around” doesn’t square with our experience with youth soccer. My kids love to be close to their teammates on the sidelines between drills. If my kid wasn’t in your kid’s face for 90-minutes during games, especially on corner kicks, we would be talking about it on the ride home.

Not every family is the same. If your family really needs this to avoid household violence, please find it. Not everyone can go to a vacation home to surf or cycle.

If you have a choice but just don’t want to accept the new reality, you will regret seeing me in the hospital - not because you are seeing me but because I am seeing you.

Best of luck to all. Please be kind and safe.
Ok, good bye and please do not visit me at the hospital. Have a blessed and beautiful life.
 
Our public schools have been trending this way for sometime, they're being run in the best interests of the teachers, and not the students. The teachers have the representation of the California teachers' union which arguably has the strongest political influence of any organization in the State. The kids only representation is noisy parents.

California teacher's union strongly came out today against reopening unless it's "safe". They say schools have a lower threshold of safety than even restaurants, but schools are struggling to reopen even if with current restrictions....don't know how they'd do it with even heavier restrictions. Newsoms now between a rock and hard place: actually reopening would cause him to go hard against the D base.

Why all or nothing? A dichotomy is easy to understand and articulate, but there is no logical reason that says if we close bars we must also close preschools. We have the option of being smart. We just aren't using it.

Schools are the lowest common denominator. They are the reflection of the protests (young people saying hey if we can protest other get togethers must be fine). If you don't reopen the schools it's really hard to argue to the aircon guy he should be going inside your house, or the gym worker that what they are doing is safe, or the target clerk that things are fine. Kids are the least vulnerable. And remember the expression "women and children first". If we can't open for them (and force the teachers to work and take a risk like the supermarket clerks are doing), you are basically at no one should be out and about.
 
Of course I said that. We just had a district meeting, and all these cats are scared to come out of there house! They sound just like Newsome, trying to scare everybody. Yes I’m pissed off; kindergardeners at home for distance learning??? WTF is this?
It has nothing to do with a regime. Open your eyes and look at the confusion all over the country about going to school.
In the same state you have authorities saying let’s go to school while teachers and some parents say no! Then you have authorities saying let’s be very careful with the protocols.
This crazy confusion is going on everywhere.
My wife’s brother is in the OC and he won’t leave the house except to walk the dog. For 4 months! What does a regime have to do with it?
This is a national problem and the only regime that obviously failed the whole country is the President’s regime...but you knew that already.
 
Ok, good bye and please do not visit me at the hospital. Have a blessed and beautiful life.
I will never be visiting you. There are circumstances where I may be rounding on you.

I read your posts, and I often find them inspiring. Vent as much as you need to. This is a frustrating situation.

Please be safe - you will be doing the right thing.
 
I will never be visiting you. There are circumstances where I may be rounding on you.

I read your posts, and I often find them inspiring. Vent as much as you need to. This is a frustrating situation.

Please be safe - you will be doing the right thing.
Are you a Dr? ER? Nurse?
 
I work in a hospital I’ve seen people in their 20s gasping for air, It brings a shiver down my spine when I think of it. The philosophy it will never happen to me is not a good one. Until it happens to you this is all fake news of course. Be smart take care of your loved ones if not yourself. Stay positive and use technology to socialize. This cannot last forever but if it does at least we lowered the spike and buy sometime.
 
Of course I said that. We just had a district meeting, and all these cats are scared to come out of there house! They sound just like Newsome, trying to scare everybody. Yes I’m pissed off; kindergardeners at home for distance learning??? WTF is this?
You are right. Simple solutions will not work, and we all need to work and sacrifice together. I am willing to give up ECNL soccer for my middle child if I could have first grade for my youngest child. Unfortunately, too many people refuse to give up anything so my kids will likely get neither. Fortunately, we can live with that.

Across the street from me lives the principal of a school with students that have enormous needs. Families at that school depend on the school to hold their lives together. That school probably won’t open either and those kids and families will be permanently harmed. This is something to consider whenever we are making decisions that change the prevalence of COVID-19 and school reopening.

We owe each other better. We are more the same than different.
 
I work in a hospital I’ve seen people in their 20s gasping for air, It brings a shiver down my spine when I think of it. The philosophy it will never happen to me is not a good one. Until it happens to you this is all fake news of course. Be smart take care of your loved ones if not yourself. Stay positive and use technology to socialize. This cannot last forever but if it does at least we lowered the spike and buy sometime.
What do you do? Have you seen anyone come in with guns shots and gasp for air too? In fact, most people who end up at the hospital in bad shape are gasping for air. Two of my classmates were in a deadly car accident in Laguna Canyon. Sweet girls were on their way home from picking up their prom dresses and a drunk dude crashed into them head on. One of the girls took her last gasp of air instantly and my other friend took her last gasp of air at the hospital. It still brings a shiver down my spine today. I went to the hospital three years ago because i got infection in my leg. Anyway, someone on my floor took their last breath. It was sad. My dd has a better chance of making the U20 woman NT then gasping for air in the ER because of Corona.
 
Are you a Dr? ER? Nurse?
I could be your medical assistant, contract tracer, respiratory tech, environmental services cleaner, food services server, hospital cafeteria worker, biomedical equipment technician, security guard, doctor, nurse, hospital administrator or any number of other people who are seeing see how things are changing from day to say during this pandemic. It really doesn’t matter which one because we are all seeing different parts of the same thing.

I wish you well. I understand your frustration. I want you to feel safe expressing your thoughts here. I want to be able to express my own so I can share what I am seeing for whatever it’s worth.

I wish we would have crushed the curve in America, but that isn’t what happened. Hopefully, we can pull together now to do better for all our sakes.

Good luck to you and everyone.
 
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