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Have another spoon full Magoo.... the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
Yup. It established that the Russians helped Trump and it found that Trump obstructed justice.
You're wrong about everything and you were wrong about that. Trump.
Desert Hound
DA
You apparently. Because the key part is...they did not establish and conspiracy or coordination.
I suppose you are going to carry on and say despite that statement, the really meant something else, and if you listen to some conspiracy theorist you will understand it doesn't mean what it says?
Correct they didn’t establish a conspiracy.
1. A bunch of folks recused themselves because of Russian relationships and/or went to jail because of lying about Russians and 2. It’s conclusive that the Russians helped the Trump campaign. 3. Trump obstructed justice during Mueller’s investigation but Mueller said that’s Congress’ issue to pursue. But no conspiracy established.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Americans stick together.
The man who made the long statement was Robert Mueller in his report. The man who crafted the short statement out of that was William Barr.
I can read and understand what both of them are saying. Have you figured out why Barr would edit out the meat of the Mueller Report?
Go on.
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I know... you're right and everybody else is wrong. Keep telling yourself that... it's been working so well.
Oops.
I see your point on hypocrisy, but there are two things to consider:
* The government interfered in the free market by ordering businesses to shut down and customers not to patronize businesses. Hard to blame a company opposed to governmental interference for not holding its position on one side of the coin when the government is interfering on the other side. I am sure many of those libertarians would be fine with both or neither, but one and not the other is unreasonable.
* The PPP Loan program was essentially an indirect unemployment benefit. The loan is forgiven only if proceeds were used for payroll (and the included salaries were capped to prevent a business owner from getting a forgivable loan to pay themselves tons of money). Criticizing a company for taking a PPP loan suggests that that company should have instead fired its employees (who would then have collected that money from the government through unemployment benefits, thus saving the taxpayers nothing) or just paid them out of pocket despite the government shutting down their business. There are limits on the size of companies permitted to participate in the PPP program. Many if not most do not have that kind of liquidity, so they would have had to layoff those employees to save their business or when the business inevitably failed. Criticizing companies for taking PPP Loan money is criticizing them for paying employees. I just don't follow that one. The whole point was to keep people employed. Unemployment checks stop. Better for the business and better for the employee to keep them from being unemployed in the first place.
You guessed Obama, when it was a Trump quote. You were wrong. Don't need to tell myself anything; just telling you.
Desert Hound
DA
Actually the quote I pulled was directly from the Mueller Report. Barr did not edit that portion.
Do not confuse Barr's summary of the report that was put out vs the actual Mueller Report from which the report clearly states no coordination or collusion. Not sure how hard that is for people to understand...unless you were so attached to the 3 yrs of reporting telling you T was going to be frog walked out of the WH at any moment that when the facts go the other way you refuse to take off the tin foil hat.
The report also clearly pointed out instances of obstruction of justice for which no indictments could be made as long as t was President and subject to impeachment.
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On your period this week?
There's that deep thinking again.
Desert Hound
DA
Note how you started out with your statement that there was no collusion. That now changed I guess.
The Mueller Report also did not find obstruction. They made no determination either way.
To be honest had there been any compelling case for obstruction, the Dems would have impeached on that vs the Ukrainian dog and pony show they went with.
If you bothered to actually read the report, must of the obstruction related to Comey and how he would privately tell Trump he wasn't under investigation and yet in public wouldn't tell the press that. Related to that was conversations regarding Flynn. We now have the transcript of Flynns call with the Russian ambassador and as it turns out it was on the up and up. Further in notes released in the past couple of weeks, Strozc (spelling)kepts notes of his meetings with Comey and in it Comey indicated that the call Flynn had with the Russian ambassador was legit.
We also now know that the FBI got the 4 FISA warrants by telling the court they had verified the Steele dossier. Turns out that wasn't true.
We know the FBI never verified the Steele dossier.
As more and more info comes out, the worse it looks for the FBI and the various people in charge.
What did they get wrong?
Actually, the poor right has nothing to hang onto at this point. Trump won almost 4 years ago and they keep talking about Hillary. Mueller found no collusion and they keep talking about that. Great strategies to keep moving forward. President Biden won't be talking about Trump!