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toucan said:
Even the most patriotic among us agree that non-violent resistance is an appropriate method of fighting injustice.

Gandhi said that the purpose of non-violent resistance is to provoke a response. Some members of this Board engage in savage denouncement of kneeling. This tells me that the Kneelers are winning, because some of our members have been provoked in exactly the manner expected.

The argument that kneeling during the National Anthem is "unpatriotic" is a pretext. The real reason for denouncing kneelers is that some people just don’t want to be confronted with a pattern of injustice that still exists in America, and therefore use “patriotism” an excuse to ban the practice.

I am not a Kneeler, by the way. But I respect those who, without resort to violence, take personal, social and financial risks in service of equal rights.
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Wrong.
What do the kneelers want? Exactly.
 
EOTL said:
You’ve never lived until you’ve shown some respect for those who’ve been murdered by racist cops. Life has a flavor that racists will never know.
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When are you going to give a shit about the other 90% killed by each other? Is it racist to call out black on black murders? Ax'ing for a homey.
 
EOTL said:
Murdering black people shows neither character nor class. Supporting police officers who murder black people shows neither character nor class. Whining about people opposing police officers murdering black people shows neither character nor class.

You are definitely the one missing the point. I am pointing out what is actually happening and why. You are whining about people not doing what you want, which is to let you continue living in a fantasyland in which you think police don’t murder black people, and black people have equal opportunity. I know it’s inconvenient for you that the police murder black people. I know the reality that the U.S. is permeated with systemic and institutional racism doesn’t line up with your idea of that the U.S. is so great. Too bad snowflake, cuz people gonna kneel and burn down Wendys regardless of how much you whine.
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You’re a liar, at least that’s out in the open, comrade.
 
The Outlaw said:
Yeah... because violence has worked so well to get the point across from the "cerebral" folks.
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Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
 
Protest is good. Criticism of one’s own country is how we’re going to get to a better world. John Lennon said, just give me some truth! The boat has to get rocked. Pick a country. Imagine if the Mexican national team players felt safe enough to non violently protest the racism and inequality of their homeland. We would probably support that. I would personally feel proud of them for doing so, maybe even secretly root for them for one game.
 
EOTL said:
Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
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How many dead, EOTL?

How many died as the result of the violence you praise?
 
The Outlaw said:
When are you going to give a shit about the other 90% killed by each other? Is it racist to call out black on black murders? Ax'ing for a homey.
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You and Sheriff Joe miss the point and clearly don't care to even try to. The protest are against racism and for JUSTICE to be served. If a black killed another black, or anyone of any color killed a police officer, the killer will be underneath the jail. The system works for those cases.

When looking at stats that more police killed whites than blacks, etc, 2 things we need to consider:

1) the white population is more than 5x the black population in the US (from US Census)
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2) How many of these murders, if any, resulted in convictions of wrong doing (even with video)?
 
Zen said:
You and Sheriff Joe miss the point and clearly don't care to even try to. The protest are against racism and for JUSTICE to be served. If a black killed another black, or anyone of any color killed a police officer, the killer will be underneath the jail. The system works for those cases.

When looking at stats that more police killed whites than blacks, etc, 2 things we need to consider:

1) the white population is more than 5x the black population in the US (from US Census)
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2) How many of these murders, if any, resulted in convictions of wrong doing (even with video)?
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Do you think I think cops unjustly killing blacks is ok?
 
EOTL said:
Indeed. In exchange for just a few bricks and matches, Chauvin and many of his racist cop buddies are now facing murder charges and many others have been fired, many police departments are being defunded, a bunch of racist confederate statues have been torn down, and patriotic athletes all across the U.S. can now take a knee. Even NASCAR and Lady A have gotten into the action. Violence is working great thank you very much.
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And 5 days from no nobody will give a shit and America will go back to realizing what a joke all this face political correctness is.
 
Zen said:
You and Sheriff Joe miss the point and clearly don't care to even try to. The protest are against racism and for JUSTICE to be served. If a black killed another black, or anyone of any color killed a police officer, the killer will be underneath the jail. The system works for those cases.

When looking at stats that more police killed whites than blacks, etc, 2 things we need to consider:

1) the white population is more than 5x the black population in the US (from US Census)
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2) How many of these murders, if any, resulted in convictions of wrong doing (even with video)?
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No, the protests are not against racism. Because apparently racism is widespread and been around forever. No, this is rioting and looting in defense of black criminals. ALL OF THEM were criminals. So if you want to make it about racism, maybe try holding yourselves accountable for the crime statistics black people don't want to talk about. Try asking yourselves WHY you're profiled. Don't demand COPS be taken off the air, after 30 years, because it depicts too much truth. And no... the system does not "work for those". You're telling me that when blacks murder each other 7 times per day, that 50 murders every week are being solved? No, I don't think so.
 
Zen said:
That's the impression you give...and that racism isn't a real issue.
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Racism is a real issue. Why does it exist? Because certain people have darker skin? Really? All this burning shit down and defending black criminals is doing 1 thing: Making the situation worse. We live in a society of rules and laws. When you disregard them, as well as the authority associated with them, the lion's share of people will stop listening and rightfully so. There are bad people in every profession... I've seen very few black people demand the criminal behavior stop. Have you? Is that what we're going to do now... just let criminals get away when they decide they don't want to go to jail? All they have to do is fight, punch cops, shoot them with tasers and they become heroes? Fucking ridiculous. It's time to stop the bullshit and hold everyone accountable. Burning down a Wendy's? How fucking stupid and violent are people allowed to be?
 
The Outlaw said:
Racism is a real issue. Why does it exist? Because certain people have darker skin? Really? All this burning shit down and defending black criminals is doing 1 thing: Making the situation worse. We live in a society of rules and laws. When you disregard them, as well as the authority associated with them, the lion's share of people will stop listening and rightfully so. There are bad people in every profession... I've seen very few black people demand the criminal behavior stop. Have you? Is that what we're going to do now... just let criminals get away when they decide they don't want to go to jail? All they have to do is fight, punch cops, shoot them with tasers and they become heroes? Fucking ridiculous. It's time to stop the bullshit and hold everyone accountable. Burning down a Wendy's? How fucking stupid and violent are people allowed to be?
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Did you see the video of a white woman lighting the Wendy's fire? Probably just an antifa provocateur, right?
 
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