ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

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“We went into the meeting with the hope that we could put together a collaborative concept of how to work together – the clubs and the federation – on things that would be additive and make what’s out there better,” Lavers told SoccerWire.com in a phone conversation on Tuesday. “Their position was that they previously discussed collaborating with us, and had determined that they could improve the game and raise standards in the game faster and better without us."

It's only one side of the story, but if true, US Soccer's arrogance has come back to bite them in the ass.

Right off the bat, USSF essentially told ECNL “Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting, we’re just going to take your business now.” Of course ECNL hates USSF.

If USSF had done exactly what ECNL had done but slapped the US Soccer label on it, ECNL would be dead by now. Instead, USSF is full of morons who failed to appreciate that all the things it tried to do differently were things ECNL had already found to be financially unsustainable. ECNL had already tried to discourage HS only to learn that, for every @simisoccrfan who detests HS soccer, it would lose 100 paying customers by banning it. ECNL learned how much travel (and costs) would be acceptable to its customers. ECNL understood there is no one size fits all way of running a national soccer league, and perfected its platform to account for regional differences, including different HS seasons, weather, spring breaks, financial demographics, etc. ECNL knew the main value proposition for its business is to open college doors that would otherwise be closed.

USSF thought the parents of every elite female soccer player in the country must love soccer so much that they’re willing to pay any amount of money, make their kids miss any amount of school and give up everything else in life just so their kid can wear a USSF patch and live a fantasy that someday they might play on the national team. USSF saw a vision of a world in which women make a fortune to skip college and play pro, although that makes no financial sense.

ECNL is run by experienced businesspeople making solid business decisions based on reality. GDA is run by soccer morons who are making decisions based on a fantasy of how they want the world to be, instead of how it actually is.
 
Great story. Maybe you should back away from calling people "liar" or "lost" or "full of hate" and "privileged" because of your personal issues.
I don’t think calling someone privilege is an insult and part of being an adult and growing is acknowledging your privilege and trying to do better.
I have male privilege and I am a sexist in recovery. I know all the buzzwords and have a great relationship with my daughter but I am still a sexist because I am a product of my environment. If I don’t acknowledge my sexism and privilege, how can I improve as a man?
In October when my daughter’s male coach asked me if my kid could join their Academy. I said no. I can’t remember the excuse used but I rejected the offer. I rejected the offer because my girl had always played with boys and I didn’t like how girls played the game. And, the coach was a female too—ah, hell no.
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Right off the bat, USSF essentially told ECNL “Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting, we’re just going to take your business now.” Of course ECNL hates USSF.

If USSF had done exactly what ECNL had done but slapped the US Soccer label on it, ECNL would be dead by now. Instead, USSF is full of morons who failed to appreciate that all the things it tried to do differently were things ECNL had already found to be financially unsustainable. ECNL had already tried to discourage HS only to learn that, for every @simisoccrfan who detests HS soccer, it would lose 100 paying customers by banning it. ECNL learned how much travel (and costs) would be acceptable to its customers. ECNL understood there is no one size fits all way of running a national soccer league, and perfected its platform to account for regional differences, including different HS seasons, weather, spring breaks, financial demographics, etc. ECNL knew the main value proposition for its business is to open college doors that would otherwise be closed.

USSF thought the parents of every elite female soccer player in the country must love soccer so much that they’re willing to pay any amount of money, make their kids miss any amount of school and give up everything else in life just so their kid can wear a USSF patch and live a fantasy that someday they might play on the national team. USSF saw a vision of a world in which women make a fortune to skip college and play pro, although that makes no financial sense.

ECNL is run by experienced businesspeople making solid business decisions based on reality. GDA is run by soccer morons who are making decisions based on a fantasy of how they want the world to be, instead of how it actually is.
I agree with most of what you’re saying. I think USSF was trying to do the right thing but failed. Their actions remind me of my days in the Marine Corps when I was constantly told “good initiative bad judgment.”
I think it was good initiative for USSF to attempt to bring us to international standards but I think it was bad judgment the way they rolled GDA out.
As I’ve been saying, the problem isn’t GDA it’s the MLS that’s dropping the ball. At least USSF tried.
Now we’re in a situation with our ethnocentric thinking where our girls are getting substandard development and most cant fathom demanding MLS support women’s soccer. So sad!
I think pay to play should be for the worst players. You know, the one’s with two left feet. The one’s that don’t have a snowball chance in hell of playing at a higher level but still love the sport.
MLS academies should be training those that aspire to professional or collegiate ranks and the mistake USSF made was trying to do MLS’ job for them.
 
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Right off the bat, USSF essentially told ECNL “Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting, we’re just going to take your business now.” Of course ECNL hates USSF.

If USSF had done exactly what ECNL had done but slapped the US Soccer label on it, ECNL would be dead by now. Instead, USSF is full of morons who failed to appreciate that all the things it tried to do differently were things ECNL had already found to be financially unsustainable. ECNL had already tried to discourage HS only to learn that, for every @simisoccrfan who detests HS soccer, it would lose 100 paying customers by banning it. ECNL learned how much travel (and costs) would be acceptable to its customers. ECNL understood there is no one size fits all way of running a national soccer league, and perfected its platform to account for regional differences, including different HS seasons, weather, spring breaks, financial demographics, etc. ECNL knew the main value proposition for its business is to open college doors that would otherwise be closed.

USSF thought the parents of every elite female soccer player in the country must love soccer so much that they’re willing to pay any amount of money, make their kids miss any amount of school and give up everything else in life just so their kid can wear a USSF patch and live a fantasy that someday they might play on the national team. USSF saw a vision of a world in which women make a fortune to skip college and play pro, although that makes no financial sense.

ECNL is run by experienced businesspeople making solid business decisions based on reality. GDA is run by soccer morons who are making decisions based on a fantasy of how they want the world to be, instead of how it actually is.
Very good said sir. Sounds like my my my sttttuuuupppppiiiiddddddd story. I was yelling at everyone at Surf for two years and then yelled one year at the Blues for how these moron dads were trying their luck with girls soccer. I will say you way gooder then (than) I gould of ever done. Outlaw make fun of me because I didnt work hard in grade and hs school and IIIII have hard time excelling with high marks back when school and college was forced down my brain and if you dont go to college u be failure in life.. In fact, I got bad grades. Sorry, i cou;lt freaking talk. So, to hit a home run in life I was on the bench. I never got a freaking tuen to bat in life because I was stupid. Does that ring bell EOTL or Outlaw dude who has so much hate and pain he doesn;t even no about it.......gee, like me was born yesterday
 
Yes, it was free for a year because you hitched your wagon to a dumb soccer club that could not sustain it. In the meantime, while your daughter was getting mediocre training and not a lot of college attention, the paying customers over at Blues were gaining on and surpassing your kid, and their coaches were having meaningful conversations on their behalf to Radcliffe and Cromwell.



Uh, Portland Thorns are not fully funding their GDA, which just proves my point. I’m glad you’re dropping maybe $50 a year for an NWSL season ticket package. Another $350 million and they’ll be right there with MLS.

It's like $250 for the season ticket package but you are 100% correct.
 
This thread is going to be funny in 4-5 years. The soccer will sort everything out. Not a smart move to put all of your eggs in one basket. Even Catarina Macario is going to graduate with a Stanford degree and she might actually make the full USWNT and make half a million dollars a year playing soccer for few years yet she won't come close to the value of her degree.

Cheers to everyone and carry on.
 
Sorry Ellejustus if that’s your real story. But I take it with a grain of salt since as soccer helper you talked about having 2 D1 coaches lined up for in home interviews with your daughter... but someone astutely asked how that could be so, since discussion with D1 coaches can’t happen till after June 15 after sophomore year of school...

Anyway, you shrugged that story off as ‘sarcastic’. But that isn’t sarcasm. It’s a plain old lie.
Bro, are you saying you thought I was telling the truth about two top D1 girls college coaches coming to my house to meets up with the family to see what my goat is about June 15th? I did lie and I ask for forgiveness. Always ask me and I promise to let you know if i'm telling a story or if its a true story. My public school story is 100% all true. I promise. I had a dream as a 9th grader at Laguna beach hs. I wanted John Wooden to come to my house. I had a dream and I was damm good player in Laguna Beach against my white friends. The varsity coach liked my hustle as a freshman and called me up with the Varsity for the LBHS Christmas Classic. We opened up against the Long Beach Poly Jack Rabbits. Their fans all came out to support their team. We were the home team and hardly anyone came. I saw my dream fade away of UCLA quickly as I watched Poly warm up. I got in the game in the 4th quarter. I think it was 105-34. It was a spanking. I also appreciated what I saw and actually worked my ass off to get better so I could compete against the goats. I held my own but like I said before, I played defense when I played with the goats and passed the rock. I was nasty on defense and would steal the ball and pass like Stockton.
 
This thread is going to be funny in 4-5 years. The soccer will sort everything out. Not a smart move to put all of your eggs in one basket. Even Catarina Macario is going to graduate with a Stanford degree and she might actually make the full USWNT and make half a million dollars a year playing soccer for few years yet she won't come close to the value of her degree.

Cheers to everyone and carry on.

This thread only has 12-18 months left. The last post in it will be mine and it will say “I told you so.”
 
This thread is going to be funny in 4-5 years. The soccer will sort everything out. Not a smart move to put all of your eggs in one basket. Even Catarina Macario is going to graduate with a Stanford degree and she might actually make the full USWNT and make half a million dollars a year playing soccer for few years yet she won't come close to the value of her degree.

Cheers to everyone and carry on.
Hey Maps, remember everyone telling me how stupid I was that we didn;t jump at the college deal in 8th grade? I told you about UCLA and Duke coming out to check out the 7th and 8th graders and run some of the drills? Anson from NC signed a 6th grader and things were downhill quickly. My dd was 4 11' and got the full court press to send them emails or else. I said no. Was that bad of me as a dad or did I read the tea leaves properly? We could of got a deal from someone but 80% quit so why do that. Sad crap they put these girls through back in the day. Your dd is .1% so please show mercy to us 99%ters. Welcome back.
 
Very good said sir. Sounds like my my my sttttuuuupppppiiiiddddddd story. I was yelling at everyone at Surf for two years and then yelled one year at the Blues for how these moron dads were trying their luck with girls soccer. I will say you way gooder then (than) I gould of ever done. Outlaw make fun of me because I didnt work hard in grade and hs school and IIIII have hard time excelling with high marks back when school and college was forced down my brain and if you dont go to college u be failure in life.. In fact, I got bad grades. Sorry, i cou;lt freaking talk. So, to hit a home run in life I was on the bench. I never got a freaking tuen to bat in life because I was stupid. Does that ring bell EOTL or Outlaw dude who has so much hate and pain he doesn;t even no about it.......gee, like me was born yesterday

You're a professional victim. Early on... when you were an aspiring pro... did you hit your head on the board 1 too many times?
 
This thread is going to be funny in 4-5 years. The soccer will sort everything out. Not a smart move to put all of your eggs in one basket. Even Catarina Macario is going to graduate with a Stanford degree and she might actually make the full USWNT and make half a million dollars a year playing soccer for few years yet she won't come close to the value of her degree.

Cheers to everyone and carry on.

I'd love to know what 22-year old Mallory Pugh would do if a redo presented itself.
 
I don’t think calling someone privilege is an insult and part of being an adult and growing is acknowledging your privilege and trying to do better.
I have male privilege and I am a sexist in recovery. I know all the buzzwords and have a great relationship with my daughter but I am still a sexist because I am a product of my environment. If I don’t acknowledge my sexism and privilege, how can I improve as a man?
In October when my daughter’s male coach asked me if my kid could join their Academy. I said no. I can’t remember the excuse used but I rejected the offer. I rejected the offer because my girl had always played with boys and I didn’t like how girls played the game. And, the coach was a female too—ah, hell no.

I agree with most of what you’re saying. I think USSF was trying to do the right thing but failed. Their actions remind me of my days in the Marine Corps when I was constantly told “good initiative bad judgment.”
I think it was good initiative for USSF to attempt to bring us to international standards but I think it was bad judgment the way they rolled GDA out.
As I’ve been saying, the problem isn’t GDA it’s the MLS that’s dropping the ball. At least USSF tried.
Now we’re in a situation with our ethnocentric thinking where our girls are getting substandard development and most cant fathom demanding MLS support women’s soccer. So sad!
I think pay to play should be for the worst players. You know, the one’s with two left feet. The one’s that don’t have a snowball chance in hell of playing at a higher level but still love the sport.
MLS academies should be training those that aspire to professional or collegiate ranks and the mistake USSF made was trying to do MLS’ job for them.

The word "privilege" has become an insult. It suggests someone was given a head start or hand up that others didn't get. Moreover, it suggests someone didn't work as hard or sacrifice as much to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve. That doesn't mean privilege doesn't exist... but I don't believe privilege is determined by skin color.
 
The word "privilege" has become an insult. It suggests someone was given a head start or hand up that others didn't get. Moreover, it suggests someone didn't work as hard or sacrifice as much to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve. That doesn't mean privilege doesn't exist... but I don't believe privilege is determined by skin color.
Listen Lester, let me help you out. Were all told to score a run in the game of baseball, right? For my story about whites and blacks, let's use scoring a run as being a winner in life. Q for you Lester. How does someone score a run?
 
What the fuck does that even mean? In the law of two? Don't feel badly for me... my daughter and I have separate lives... unlike you.
So you don;t know what the law of two means? OK, disregard my baseball analogy. Just drop it Lester, your not ready for the next stage in life.
 
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