ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'

Giesbock said:
I've lost track of the point of this thread. Too frenetic, knee-jerk, poorly thought out and irrational statements of position, backtracking, shorthand writing, wishful dreaming about cultural overhaul of the soccer landscape, running down every rabbit hole with no clear direction.

I swear I’m doing my best to keep up...I’m just a simpleton with an athletic, skilled player on the upswing, no offers of free rides, no broken promises of YNT greatness at 12 years old, no certainty of goat-ness. Just working out hard at home, growing, doing what her coaches ask...

These are definitely challenging times and my heart goes out to girls that were gearing for their last showcase tournaments...

Bottom line, I guess as someone said earlier, hope you and yours get a shot at your dreams.
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Totally agree. And I hit the ignore button.
 
Hodari said:
@everyone juggling is fundamental if you cant do it your not a GOAT, because goats are good at everything including many different things that is what makes them great.
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I agree. But, it should also be made clear that just because you can juggle doesn’t mean you’re a GOAT.
 
MacDre said:
I agree. But, it should also be made clear that just because you can juggle doesn’t mean you’re a GOAT.
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So my dd played with and scrimmaged the great pro OM for three years. She is Socal's GOAT for our age and younger imho. A roll model on how to go pro in today's youth soccer for girls. All I have to compare my dd to a pro is OM and my eyes watched for three years. @Hodari @MacDre and @Kicker4Life. I would love to hear what makes a true GOAT in girls soccer? How many Goats for 04 in socal Kicker?
 
Thinking about why ECNL / DA has become a toxic competition. Was it toxic from the day DA came on the scene?

Did USSF approach Mr. Lavers about integrating With his league but he shunned them?

Did the “toxicity” start after some of his clubs left to join DA?

Easy to understand that Mr. Lavers wouldn’t have been thrilled to have a formidable new competitor move in on his turf, but would he have been afraid of that new challenger? Doubt that...

Were there agreements made and then broken (that could certainly cause a rivalry to become toxic).

Or, did it only become “toxic” after teams, parents and players started moves back and forth between the two leagues, and discovered that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Then I can see someone starting to feel like they’d been played or sold a bill of goods. That leads to bitterness and jealousy...and toxicity.

Curious if leadership at both organizations can’t stand each other or if the whole toxic relationship thing flows from parents somehow done wrong??
 
Ellejustus said:
So my dd played with and scrimmaged the great pro OM for three years. She is Socal's GOAT for our age and younger imho. A roll model on how to go pro in today's youth soccer for girls. All I have to compare my dd to a pro is OM and my eyes watched for three years. @Hodari @MacDre and @Kicker4Life. I would love to hear what makes a true GOAT in girls soccer? How many Goats for 04 in socal Kicker?
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I honestly don’t know. I’m confused. If you were to see my introverted kid with her coke bottle glasses you would think NERD and not athlete. But, coaches seem to like her.
I honestly think being a NERD may have something to do with it. I think Mewis and Saurbrunn are NERD’s too.
Hey my patna 40 water want to opine on the GOAT issue:
 
Giesbock said:
Thinking about why ECNL / DA has become a toxic competition. Was it toxic from the day DA came on the scene?

Did USSF approach Mr. Lavers about integrating With his league but he shunned them?

Did the “toxicity” start after some of his clubs left to join DA?

Easy to understand that Mr. Lavers wouldn’t have been thrilled to have a formidable new competitor move in on his turf, but would he have been afraid of that new challenger? Doubt that...

Were there agreements made and then broken (that could certainly cause a rivalry to become toxic).

Or, did it only become “toxic” after teams, parents and players started moves back and forth between the two leagues, and discovered that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Then I can see someone starting to feel like they’d been played or sold a bill of goods. That leads to bitterness and jealousy...and toxicity.

Curious if leadership at both organizations can’t stand each other or if the whole toxic relationship thing flows from parents somehow done wrong??
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Better question is how does all of the conflict benefit your kids development? What are you doing to ensure your kid continues to progress in her development while in the midst of the toxic youth soccer environment?
 
Time to separate the sheep parents from the goat parents and the sheep parents don;t like that at all. Who do you want to be in life in this new America? Look at all the sheep in the video......

 
Giesbock said:
Thinking about why ECNL / DA has become a toxic competition. Was it toxic from the day DA came on the scene?

Did USSF approach Mr. Lavers about integrating With his league but he shunned them?

Did the “toxicity” start after some of his clubs left to join DA?

Easy to understand that Mr. Lavers wouldn’t have been thrilled to have a formidable new competitor move in on his turf, but would he have been afraid of that new challenger? Doubt that...

Were there agreements made and then broken (that could certainly cause a rivalry to become toxic).

Or, did it only become “toxic” after teams, parents and players started moves back and forth between the two leagues, and discovered that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Then I can see someone starting to feel like they’d been played or sold a bill of goods. That leads to bitterness and jealousy...and toxicity.

Curious if leadership at both organizations can’t stand each other or if the whole toxic relationship thing flows from parents somehow done wrong??
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"We know you're ECNL... you're the best... elite players on the elite clubs... worked for years to get there... but we'll be better. Think National Team."

What could go wrong?
 
MacDre said:
I honestly don’t know. I’m confused. If you were to see my introverted kid with her coke bottle glasses you would think NERD and not athlete. But, coaches seem to like her.
I honestly think being a NERD may have something to do with it. I think Mewis and Saurbrunn are NERD’s too.
Hey my patna 40 water want to opine on the GOAT issue:
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Happy for your kid... but please don't post anymore RAP videos. Toilet paper is at a premium these days.
 
Ellejustus said:
Time to separate the sheep parents from the goat parents and the sheep parents don;t like that at all. Who do you want to be in life in this new America? Look at all the sheep in the video......

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Maybe someone can covince Dominic to add a “Sheepeople” emoji.
 
Giesbock said:
Thinking about why ECNL / DA has become a toxic competition. Was it toxic from the day DA came on the scene?

Did USSF approach Mr. Lavers about integrating With his league but he shunned them?

Did the “toxicity” start after some of his clubs left to join DA?

Easy to understand that Mr. Lavers wouldn’t have been thrilled to have a formidable new competitor move in on his turf, but would he have been afraid of that new challenger? Doubt that...

Were there agreements made and then broken (that could certainly cause a rivalry to become toxic).

Or, did it only become “toxic” after teams, parents and players started moves back and forth between the two leagues, and discovered that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Then I can see someone starting to feel like they’d been played or sold a bill of goods. That leads to bitterness and jealousy...and toxicity.

Curious if leadership at both organizations can’t stand each other or if the whole toxic relationship thing flows from parents somehow done wrong??
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www.soccerwire.com

U.S. Soccer-ECNL summit fruitless, with federation set to go it alone on girls Development Academy - SoccerWire

www.soccerwire.com www.soccerwire.com

“We went into the meeting with the hope that we could put together a collaborative concept of how to work together – the clubs and the federation – on things that would be additive and make what’s out there better,” Lavers told SoccerWire.com in a phone conversation on Tuesday. “Their position was that they previously discussed collaborating with us, and had determined that they could improve the game and raise standards in the game faster and better without us."

It's only one side of the story, but if true, US Soccer's arrogance has come back to bite them in the ass.
 
Giesbock said:
Thinking about why ECNL / DA has become a toxic competition. Was it toxic from the day DA came on the scene?

Did USSF approach Mr. Lavers about integrating With his league but he shunned them?

Did the “toxicity” start after some of his clubs left to join DA?

Easy to understand that Mr. Lavers wouldn’t have been thrilled to have a formidable new competitor move in on his turf, but would he have been afraid of that new challenger? Doubt that...

Were there agreements made and then broken (that could certainly cause a rivalry to become toxic).

Or, did it only become “toxic” after teams, parents and players started moves back and forth between the two leagues, and discovered that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Then I can see someone starting to feel like they’d been played or sold a bill of goods. That leads to bitterness and jealousy...and toxicity.

Curious if leadership at both organizations can’t stand each other or if the whole toxic relationship thing flows from parents somehow done wrong??
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@Giesbock dude, you play dumb but you know way more then you let on. I like you :) No, Mr Lavers never approached Legends. JH approached Lavers to join and was pissed because the 9 Monopoly players in the SW voted no every time and wouldn't allow the "shoe" or the "boot" to play on their board game in SoCal. Too bad, tough luck. Welcome to America. They applied, but were denied. Legally btw. Not a monopoly. JH is a marketing genius and I'm sure wanted to be King. Beach, they want to be King too. They were denied. It's a board decision, noy any of ours. It's a free country and Lavers and the board have the right legally to pick whoever they want or deny a club. So the one's who were looking from the outside got pissed and started a new league and this time they sold customers (not all) YNT and Pros to the top goats. That's what went down in a nutshell. Oh ya, plus the 9 monopoly players recruited legally and out in the open the non ecnl clubs top goats and that really pissed them off. So much so, they started their own league. JH recruiting haul was insane when he got the TC and the GDA. Just look at what he had before and what he lost and then look at what he received when the GDA got started. It's all there to see. Again, good for them. It's America, what else is new!!! JH was straight up with me and no bait & switch with me at all.
 
wc_baller said:
www.soccerwire.com

U.S. Soccer-ECNL summit fruitless, with federation set to go it alone on girls Development Academy - SoccerWire

www.soccerwire.com www.soccerwire.com

“We went into the meeting with the hope that we could put together a collaborative concept of how to work together – the clubs and the federation – on things that would be additive and make what’s out there better,” Lavers told SoccerWire.com in a phone conversation on Tuesday. “Their position was that they previously discussed collaborating with us, and had determined that they could improve the game and raise standards in the game faster and better without us."

It's only one side of the story, but if true, US Soccer's arrogance has come back to bite them in the ass.
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There you go. Faster is not always better :)
 
The Outlaw said:
Happy for your kid... but please don't post anymore RAP videos. Toilet paper is at a premium these days.
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Outlaw, my dd and all her white friends love rap just so you know. One of the rap artist was killed and she cried. I was shocked. Like a good father, I asked her a few questions about why so emotional? She told me all about this guy and his life. We then started listing to his music on the way to school and she share what it all meant, I loved it because their was a message, even a message to an old white dude like me who doesn;t listed to rap that much. My dd loves rap and listens to it before every game, no joke. When she wakes up I will ask her what his name is. Young guy who predicted his death. That is a Legend in my book :)
 
MacDre said:
Better question is how does all of the conflict benefit your kids development? What are you doing to ensure your kid continues to! progress in her development while in the midst of the toxic youth soccer environment?
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So tired of all these "parents" talking about the "toxic" soccer environment! Be careful, kids learn from their parents and mimic them! Our kids love the soccer going on. If your player doesn't like where they are at, make a change and move on. Sports have never been perfect or fair, any sport actually. Focus on your player, emphasize academics, honesty, character, soccer skills and a strong work ethic. Maybe the problem is this generation thinking that their agenda is more important than anyone else's, or maybe they are trying to fulfill their own failed or unfulfilled dreams. Those who are constantly complaining about one league or another are the very ones contributing to the so called "toxic" environment.
 
I feel like I'm dealing with little weasels who pop their little heads with a dumb comment they can;t back up and then they go in their hole. I'm a black papa bear with a mama bear, boo boo bear and my baby bear dd. Let's play ball you weasels and lets debate the law, the future of a better top top league, college future, the greatness of ECNL and the 2020-2021 youth season. I'm bringing it you guys, I';m not holding back so bring your best or don;t comment at all and then go hide away. When you do that, you remind me of this little scared dude......

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