GunScare @ Albion Cup?

KONI said:
Was there as well....saw everyone running from the field next us....heard people yelling shooter and took off with everyone else to the parking lot...very surreal and scary...players very shaken....need to have police presence mandatory at these tournaments...not sure of the details of what really went down....but you here shooter...run and ask questions later
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I was at the Regional ODP Tournament last weekend and they had a police presence there. I thought "what the heck", well I agree it is getting out of control. I have never in all my years in soccer heard or seen a gun but have seen major fights where police had to be called. People just need to get take control of their emotions.
 
Dof3 said:
I am not sure that people who were not there are appreciating what happened. My daughter was on the field at the time. A rush of people came pouring onto our side of the complex saying there is a active shooter - RUN!! My kid and some of her teammates ran over the road, through the parking lot, jumped fences and hid in the yard of a house. I had other kids there and, like many others, got separated from my daughter. She is running with no idea if her parents were dead. She is 12. People hiding in cars, behind trees. Parents yelling the names of their kids in the parking lot, trying to find them. And Albion just sent around en email about what a great weekend it was with a footnote about an unfortunate incident and a harmless verbal threat. I don’t think that quite captures hundreds of kids running into the surrounding area in fear for their lives, or parents in sheer panic about what happened to their kids. Albion should be ashamed - not because of the actions of an idiot parent - but certainly for its own terrible communication. It is deeply disrespectful to what those kids endured today. I would be embarrassed to belong to that club and somebody should be held accountable for how they are communicating about this.
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I am very sorry for your daughter and all the other kids. My nephew is a Columbine survivor and I wish that devastation, and the anxiety from it, on no one
 
IMO this 100% falls on the parents of those teams. Don’t look to place blame on anyone else but yourselves. Be accountable for your actions and the actions of your children! The ref, the coach, Albion or Galway Downs venue didn’t force the families to pay and play in the tourney and they certainly didn’t tell them to engage in the melee. They ruined it for everyone else in the tourney and should receive the harshest punishment from the governing body... Cal South. I hope the kid that got sucker punched is ok and presses charges as well as file a lawsuit against that family.
 
My next question is....how do we hold Cal South accountable to take action?
With all the stories, pictures and hopefully video there has to be consequences.

I would hate to see these 2 teams be able to play against each other at Presidents Cup in a couple weeks without repercussions.
 
ItsJustSoccer said:
My next question is....how do we hold Cal South accountable to take action?
With all the stories, pictures and hopefully video there has to be consequences.

I would hate to see these 2 teams be able to play against each other at Presidents Cup in a couple weeks without repercussions.
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Both teams should be removed from competition because both sidelines participated in the melee but that should only be the beginning of their punishment... Make them the example and set the standard for any future incidents.
 
Speed said:
I am very sorry for your daughter and all the other kids. My nephew is a Columbine survivor and I wish that devastation, and the anxiety from it, on no one
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Thank you. All this talk about who is to blame is, in my view, unhelpful. Albion communicated poorly. But my frustration in that communication is that they are missing the opportunity to be an agent of change with respect to what is one of the worst parts of youth soccer. Yes, referees and coaches need to be better in terms of de-escalating hostile dynamics in games. Parents need to do the same. Sanctioning bodies and clubs need to get serious about a code of conduct and accountability. We have rules about kids heading the ball for safety. So let's have rules about parental conduct that are actually enforced. Define and communicate some standards. Two players and a coach get a yellow, the game is over and that team doesn't play again for a month or longer in any sanctioned event. AND ACTUALLY DO IT. AS OFTEN AS IS NECESSARY. Something clear and reasonable and consequential so people will understand that the vast majority that is the rest of us do not want in the sport. Affected clubs have an opportunity to demand and impose change. Cal South has the same opportunity. If kids screaming in fear, hiding terrified and parents screaming the names of lost children in anguish is not enough to focus people on the acute need for something better, then I don't know what short of an actual shooting or death will. Believe me, the people at the event running in terror are fine with harshest of penalties for the conduct that led to what happened. Call your coaches. Call your clubs. Call Cal South. That is what I am doing today. Insist on something better. We are the community of youth soccer. Demand better and hold yourself and those around you to a higher standard.
 
BruceDern said:
Where is Team Azteca located in California? Or are they from Tijuana?
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Are you saying from tijuana or los angeles because most kids are hispanic? I actually know the coach and is a very well respected coach in the community and has coached for many yrs with alot of awards under his belt . I dont think you guys should blame coaches for what happen it is us as parents to keep the sidlines safe and quiet from offensive remarks about players refs etc. In my opinion the only one to put blame is the teen running on field and started the whole drama. Secondly parents have no right or business on field regardless of situation until called in for serious injury . I know for a fact the coach is really pissed off at both sides of the parents for the way they were acting the whole game. Just let the kids play and handle their business on the soccer field on their own. Parents shut up and just cheer for your kid. Let coaches coach refs ref and players play just encourage stop with the negativity. Half of the parents on sideline have never played soccer in their lives and think they are professional coaches lmao
 
Dof3 said:
Thank you. All this talk about who is to blame is, in my view, unhelpful. Albion communicated poorly. But my frustration in that communication is that they are missing the opportunity to be an agent of change with respect to what is one of the worst parts of youth soccer. Yes, referees and coaches need to be better in terms of de-escalating hostile dynamics in games. Parents need to do the same. Sanctioning bodies and clubs need to get serious about a code of conduct and accountability. We have rules about kids heading the ball for safety. So let's have rules about parental conduct that are actually enforced. Define and communicate some standards. Two players and a coach get a yellow, the game is over and that team doesn't play again for a month or longer in any sanctioned event. AND ACTUALLY DO IT. AS OFTEN AS IS NECESSARY. Something clear and reasonable and consequential so people will understand that the vast majority that is the rest of us do not want in the sport. Affected clubs have an opportunity to demand and impose change. Cal South has the same opportunity. If kids screaming in fear, hiding terrified and parents screaming the names of lost children in anguish is not enough to focus people on the acute need for something better, then I don't know what short of an actual shooting or death will. Believe me, the people at the event running in terror are fine with harshest of penalties for the conduct that led to what happened. Call your coaches. Call your clubs. Call Cal South. That is what I am doing today. Insist on something better. We are the community of youth soccer. Demand better and hold yourself and those around you to a higher standard.
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There needs to be a law enforcement presence at these events. We need to demand it. Simply kicking a few families out of the organization isn’t enough.
 
Dof3 said:
Thank you. All this talk about who is to blame is, in my view, unhelpful. Albion communicated poorly. But my frustration in that communication is that they are missing the opportunity to be an agent of change with respect to what is one of the worst parts of youth soccer. Yes, referees and coaches need to be better in terms of de-escalating hostile dynamics in games. Parents need to do the same. Sanctioning bodies and clubs need to get serious about a code of conduct and accountability. We have rules about kids heading the ball for safety. So let's have rules about parental conduct that are actually enforced. Define and communicate some standards. Two players and a coach get a yellow, the game is over and that team doesn't play again for a month or longer in any sanctioned event. AND ACTUALLY DO IT. AS OFTEN AS IS NECESSARY. Something clear and reasonable and consequential so people will understand that the vast majority that is the rest of us do not want in the sport. Affected clubs have an opportunity to demand and impose change. Cal South has the same opportunity. If kids screaming in fear, hiding terrified and parents screaming the names of lost children in anguish is not enough to focus people on the acute need for something better, then I don't know what short of an actual shooting or death will. Believe me, the people at the event running in terror are fine with harshest of penalties for the conduct that led to what happened. Call your coaches. Call your clubs. Call Cal South. That is what I am doing today. Insist on something better. We are the community of youth soccer. Demand better and hold yourself and those around you to a higher standard.
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I agree. This is less of an issue of blame, and more an issue of accountability. Unfortunately, you will likely never see an existing Club be an agent of change because their priority is to protect their own self interests. Youth club soccer long ago became more about than the adults than the kids years ago.
 
oh canada said:
Thankfully nobody injured or killed, so the resolution is fairly simple:

1 - the players fighting -- if there was fighting, these 2 should be banned from State Cup - Cal South and the club(s) responsible for doing so. If a kid ran from the sideline and threw punches, there should be charges filed against that kid. Juvenile misdemeanor but some time cleaning soccer tournament porta-potties in the future would be an age appropriate consequence if under 16yrs.

2 - if the facts bear out (talk to the refs) that this team's sideline was unruly (more than one guy) then the entire team should be banned from State Cup - Cal South responsible for this one.

3 - If the team is a non-Albion team, then as Albion Club, I would ban the other club from any other future tournaments they hold for a time certain -- maybe next year or the next 2 years. If Albion South provoked then Albion SD needs to remove those players n families off the team.

4 - If other teams didn't like the tournament, don't play in it next year and don't give your money to Albion, but don't go crying for a refund because your kid missed out on a medal.

5 - Clubs holding tournaments at Galway Downs (State Cup too?) should be aware that the facility is a "poor man's" Silverlakes - let the buyer beware (not that Silverlakes et al. don't have their own parking, traffic and other problems as they certainly do).

6 - The camo backpack guy - lifetime ban from all CalSouth soccer events. (assuming there is enough witness proof that he was the cause) and a public shaming with his name released via media.

At some point families are going to say enough is enough with this youth soccer privatization and club craziness and start to look to other sports without all the drama, time and money commitments.

I look forward to watching a REAL championship game tonight that has REAL meaning for its players and families. LSU looks tough to beat.
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Thank you for a rational, solution focused, non-club bashing post. It was absolutely awful and should not happen again and is much greater than a tournament or club issue.
 
The other issue is 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment original purpose is to allow States to call up their militia so that they could battle against the United States Armed Forces should they decide to leave the union. Back then, muskets and bayonets may be enough to bring down the US Army. Today, people use this law to buy toys like hunting gear. These rifles or hand guns can do nothing when the enemy is the US Armed Forces. 2nd amendment should allow the militia men to get heavier gears like Tanks, Anti Aircraft guns, Bombers etc. etc. We need to rethink the 2nd amendment. The way the 2nd amendment is used today, the state militia would be powerless against the US Armed Forces. With the law only allowing hand held weapons, I don't know how we can use it to defeat the Union if there is a need in the future. Ideas? Seem like not worth the trouble of even keeping this law given all the problem it is causing(random shootings) and no clear sight of it even having a chance to achieve its original intent(defeating the US Armed Forces).

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
 
blam said:
The other issue is 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment original purpose is to allow States to call up their militia so that they could battle against the United States Armed Forces should they decide to leave the union. Back then, muskets and bayonets may be enough to bring down the US Army. Today, people use this law to buy toys like hunting gear. These rifles or hand guns can do nothing when the enemy is the US Armed Forces. 2nd amendment should allow the militia men to get heavier gears like Tanks, Anti Aircraft guns, Bombers etc. etc. We need to rethink the 2nd amendment. The way the 2nd amendment is used today, the state militia would be powerless against the US Armed Forces. With the law only allowing hand held weapons, I don't know how we can use it to defeat the Union if there is a need in the future. Ideas? Seem like not worth the trouble of even keeping this law given all the problem it is causing(random shootings) and no clear sight of it even having a chance to achieve its original intent(defeating the US Armed Forces).

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
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Dof3 said:
Two players and a coach get a yellow, the game is over and that team doesn't play again for a month or longer in any sanctioned event. AND ACTUALLY DO IT. AS OFTEN AS IS NECESSARY.
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They'll be a lot of unintended consequences to such a rule. Refs will be reluctant to hand out cards for rough play (reserving cards instead for really egregious behavior...which is sort of the situation we have now with red cards since refs are so reluctant to hand them out, particularly at the younger ages), goalkeepers will be afraid to come off their line, fewer slide tackle attempts, a greater divide between the "let em play" school of refs (and parents) and the "by the book" school f refs (and parents) calling for cards on things like charging. It alters the structure of the game because that's what red cards are for...the egregious circumstances....wonder why using them has fallen out of favor? Find the answer to that and you have the answer to the card/game management problem.
 
Soccerlife73 said:
Are you saying from tijuana or los angeles because most kids are hispanic? I actually know the coach and is a very well respected coach in the community and has coached for many yrs with alot of awards under his belt . I dont think you guys should blame coaches for what happen it is us as parents to keep the sidlines safe and quiet from offensive remarks about players refs etc. In my opinion the only one to put blame is the teen running on field and started the whole drama. Secondly parents have no right or business on field regardless of situation until called in for serious injury . I know for a fact the coach is really pissed off at both sides of the parents for the way they were acting the whole game. Just let the kids play and handle their business on the soccer field on their own. Parents shut up and just cheer for your kid. Let coaches coach refs ref and players play just encourage stop with the negativity. Half of the parents on sideline have never played soccer in their lives and think they are professional coaches lmao
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Coach absolutely has some blame if they can't also handle the parents. If parents acted this way this tournament, I highly doubt they've been quiet at other games/tourneys. This coach has enabled the parents to act that way. He could have warned parents that their kids will be benched if they yell at refs and actually do it. Solved VERY easily. To be fair, there are tons of other coaches that enable this behavior as well and it's their fault for that. That's why I say partial blame. Refs also have some blame. Red cards, threaten to cancel the game, kick out parents, etc. I agree the main blame is players and parents though.
 
The only blame here is the coach and the adults. Kids are not to blame, club can’t do anything to stop stupid people. Refs can’t do much here, heck I don’t think we will see refs now that people are trying to pull guns.

This is so sick that people have no life to ruin a sport that kids enjoy.
 
certainly pro 2A here . . . but did they even confirm that a gun was actually involved?

blam said:
The other issue is 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment original purpose is to allow States to call up their militia so that they could battle against the United States Armed Forces should they decide to leave the union. Back then, muskets and bayonets may be enough to bring down the US Army. Today, people use this law to buy toys like hunting gear. These rifles or hand guns can do nothing when the enemy is the US Armed Forces. 2nd amendment should allow the militia men to get heavier gears like Tanks, Anti Aircraft guns, Bombers etc. etc. We need to rethink the 2nd amendment. The way the 2nd amendment is used today, the state militia would be powerless against the US Armed Forces. With the law only allowing hand held weapons, I don't know how we can use it to defeat the Union if there is a need in the future. Ideas? Seem like not worth the trouble of even keeping this law given all the problem it is causing(random shootings) and no clear sight of it even having a chance to achieve its original intent(defeating the US Armed Forces).

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "
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I hate to say it but situations like this could give some soccer clubs and venues an excuse to raise fees by playing on the fears of the parents. I laughed at the other thread about a OC club charging $4,500-5k annually but I can see myself paying that if I were a new soccer parent. I’ve also read some posters wanting a security or a law enforcement presence at these tournaments and I can’t help but think of how much of a money grab this could become. Just thinking out loud.
 
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