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[MSK357]

That iss one of the reasons

It was inappropriate to use a home server when she had protected State Department servers and knowledgable operators at her disposal. That is one of the reasons I didn't support her in 20116. However, your claim that the server was "unprotected" is false - it had a robust firewall installation and could handle encryption at the appropriate level for messages in and out. None of the investigations by experts found any classified documents compromised by inappropriate access.

I know these facts will make no difference to you - you will just go on believing whatever people tell you that makes you feel good.

I work in this field. You need to protect the servers in a protected building. The walls need to be foil backed to prevent RF being compromised. Her house didn't meet the requirements to store classified information in a server, unprotected. The FBI director Comey even stated that there would be no way to know if the classified information was compromised or not. If it was the Russians, they wouldn't leave a trace. And by the way you can collect that kind of information, there would be no trace to leave. I know these facts are things you were not aware of, so I wont hold it against you.

 

[MSK357]

"Republicans like me need facts and reasoning" -- hilarious.

I'm glad that amuses you, hopefully you are not the kind to be easily swayed by joe shmoe Russian bots. Random blogs, emails, and facebook is not where I get my information. apparently you think that is a strong possibility. I question your sources now.

 

[espola]

I work in this field. You need to protect the servers in a protected building. The walls need to be foil backed to prevent RF being compromised. Her house didn't meet the requirements to store classified information in a server, unprotected. The FBI director Comey even stated that there would be no way to know if the classified information was compromised or not. If it was the Russians, they wouldn't leave a trace. And by the way you can collect that kind of information, there would be no trace to leave. I know these facts are things you were not aware of, so I wont hold it against you.

I worked in that field, too, both as a developer and a user. I held a First Class FCC license and a Top Secret clearance (although I never worked with anything higher than Secret-Crypto). One of our product lines included Tempest-certified portable computers - no screened room required. If you think there would be "no trace" you don't know how the Internet works.

Please try harder next time.

 

[MSK357]

I worked in that field, too, both as a developer and a user. I held a First Class FCC license and a Top Secret clearance (although I never worked with anything higher than Secret-Crypto). One of our product lines included Tempest-certified portable computers - no screened room required. If you think there would be "no trace" you don't know how the Internet works.

Please try harder next time.

Ok, heres me trying harder since were both experts. FBI director comey said the server was improperly stored in her private home. This means it had nothing to do with the computers but the actual location, hence my comment about the walls. You should know this. I'm glad you no longer work in this field.

 

[The Outlaw *BANNED*]

I worked in that field, too, both as a developer and a user. I held a First Class FCC license and a Top Secret clearance (although I never worked with anything higher than Secret-Crypto). One of our product lines included Tempest-certified portable computers - no screened room required. If you think there would be "no trace" you don't know how the Internet works.

Please try harder next time.

Shouldn't you log out and back in as Husker so you can like this post?

 

[MSK357]

I worked in that field, too, both as a developer and a user. I held a First Class FCC license and a Top Secret clearance (although I never worked with anything higher than Secret-Crypto). One of our product lines included Tempest-certified portable computers - no screened room required. If you think there would be "no trace" you don't know how the Internet works.

Please try harder next time.

And they didnt use tempest computers genius, they used private emails from private computers. Remember huma abedins laptop was seized, I bet former pedophile Democrat congressman wiener got really nervous.

 

[espola]

Ok, heres me trying harder since were both experts. FBI director comey said the server was improperly stored in her private home. This means it had nothing to do with the computers but the actual location, hence my comment about the walls. You should know this. I'm glad you no longer work in this field.

Walls are protection for a room, not for a piece of equipment such as a server unless the equipment is stored in that room. In my various places of employment, I worked in at least 6 different screened rooms of variable quality and levels of certification. I also worked on and with equipment that was constructed so that it didn't require any additional screening.

 

[espola]

And they didnt use tempest computers genius, they used private emails from private computers. Remember huma abedins laptop was seized, I bet former pedophile Democrat congressman wiener got really nervous.

You're babbling.

 

[MSK357]

You're babbling.

You're deflecting lol

 

[MSK357]

Walls are protection for a room, not for a piece of equipment such as a server unless the equipment is stored in that room. In my various places of employment, I worked in at least 6 different screened rooms of variable quality and levels of certification. I also worked on and with equipment that was constructed so that it didn't require any additional screening.

This just shows you're outdated. New requirements.

 

[espola]

This just shows you're outdated. New requirements.

Such as?

 

[MSK357]

ICD 705. But let's stop deflecting. You talked about tempest certified computers. They used private computers and emails. The issue was the storage of classified information in her home instead of an authorized location that meets ICD 705 requirements. Bottom line is she showed more than extreme carelessness that director comey said, it's actually negligence because she should know it's wrong. You get briefed on these things at least once a year. And with her level of clearance and the number of years shes had it even as a senator, she should have known better. Any other person would have their clearance taken away and she wouldn't be fit to lead as president in that position.

 

[espola]

ICD 705. But let's stop deflecting. You talked about tempest certified computers. They used private computers and emails. The issue was the storage of classified information in her home instead of an authorized location that meets ICD 705 requirements. Bottom line is she showed more than extreme carelessness that director comey said, it's actually negligence because she should know it's wrong. You get briefed on these things at least once a year. And with her level of clearance and the number of years shes had it even as a senator, she should have known better. Any other person would have their clearance taken away and she wouldn't be fit to lead as president in that position.

I agreed with most of that in 2016, as I announced here (or, actually, in one of the former incarnations of this forum).

ICD 705 deals with SCIFs. Hillary had one in her DC home when she was SOS.

I brought up Tempest computers because you said you worked in the field. I wanted you to know that I did, too.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

So you believe sanctions are helping Russia? Whether its deep cutting or not, Trump has been putting sanction after sanction on Russia. tell me where he has helped Russia and maybe you might have a good argument.

Helped Russia? Off the top of my head . . . You mean like trying to weaken the UN? Holding back military assistance to the Ukraine? Siding with them over our intelligence agencies? Taking holds off of bank accounts of oligarchs close to Putin? Stopping the justice department's investigations into those same oligarchs and known Russian crime syndicates? Pulling out of northern Syria?

Putin’s Payout: 12 Ways Trump has Supported Putin’s Foreign Policy Agenda - The Moscow Project

In May 2017, the FBI formally opened a counterintelligence investigation into the President of the United States to determine whether he had been working on behalf of the Russian government, according to The New York Times. The inquiry into the President was formally folded into the Special...

themoscowproject.org

37 times Trump was soft on Russia | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump has an Achilles' heel when it comes to Russia. Over the years, he's made no secret that he has a soft spot for the country and its authoritarian leader, President Vladimir Putin. Here's a breakdown of 37 occasions when Trump was soft on Russia or gave Putin a boost.

www.cnn.com

 

[MSK357]

I agreed with most of that in 2016, as I announced here (or, actually, in one of the former incarnations of this forum).

ICD 705 deals with SCIFs. Hillary had one in her DC home when she was SOS.

I brought up Tempest computers because you said you worked in the field. I wanted you to know that I did, too.

I dont doubt you worked in the field, not sure where you heard she had a scif in her DC home, but from facts it doesnt seem like this was in a scif. This was a private server, on private computers, using private emails. Your defence of Hillary and what might have happened doesnt align with the facts in this case. That's all I'm saying. A normal person would at the very least lose their clearance for what she did.

 

[messy]

Doesn't find any? Why are all those people in jail?

Yeah there’s that.
And he had to come out and correct the Attorney General’s “summary.”
And he specifically said Trump was not exonerated on the obstruction issue.

 

[espola]

Helped Russia? Off the top of my head . . . You mean like trying to weaken the UN? Holding back military assistance to the Ukraine? Siding with them over our intelligence agencies? Taking holds off of bank accounts of oligarchs close to Putin? Stopping the justice department's investigations into those same oligarchs and known Russian crime syndicates? Pulling out of northern Syria?

Putin’s Payout: 12 Ways Trump has Supported Putin’s Foreign Policy Agenda - The Moscow Project

In May 2017, the FBI formally opened a counterintelligence investigation into the President of the United States to determine whether he had been working on behalf of the Russian government, according to The New York Times. The inquiry into the President was formally folded into the Special...

themoscowproject.org

37 times Trump was soft on Russia | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump has an Achilles' heel when it comes to Russia. Over the years, he's made no secret that he has a soft spot for the country and its authoritarian leader, President Vladimir Putin. Here's a breakdown of 37 occasions when Trump was soft on Russia or gave Putin a boost.

www.cnn.com

I think when you wrote "weakened UN" you should have included "and NATO".

 

[messy]

Not for collusion. They are in jail for Tax evasion, and perjury. completely unrelated to what the investigation was supposed to find.

Yeah they all just lied about Russia. And went to jail (or are on their way).
Go figure...

Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn lied about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.
Former Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos lied about the date on which a professor in London told him that Russia possessed “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.
Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, falsely told Congress that negotiations over a proposed Trump Tower project in Moscow had ended in January of 2016, when the negotiations in fact continued at least until June of 2016.
Former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and his associate Rick Gates lied on Justice Department forms to conceal the true nature of a 2013 lobbying trip to Washington on behalf of Ukrainian government officials, to try to avoid having to register as agents of a foreign government.
Mr. Manafort has also been accused of violating his cooperation agreement with special counsel Robert Mueller by lying about his contacts with a former associate in Ukraine with alleged ties to Russian intelligence. The deception reportedly included whether Manafort had shared election polling data with the former associate.
Most recently, longtime Trump ally and Republican political operative Roger Stone was indicted on charges of lying to Congress about his attempts to discover the full scope of WikiLeaks’ 2016 campaign to publicize emails allegedly hacked from the Democratic National Committee by Russian intelligence officers.

 

[messy]

And Obama was actually caught on a hot mic and video telling Dmitry Medvedev that he would be more flexible after his re-election. Medvedev said he would relay that to Putin. So whos colluding with who?

Yeah, remember when Fuhrman said the “N” word?
And they thought OJ was on trial?
They were so wrong and you’re right!

 

[espola]

I dont doubt you worked in the field, not sure where you heard she had a scif in her DC home, but from facts it doesnt seem like this was in a scif. This was a private server, on private computers, using private emails. Your defence of Hillary and what might have happened doesnt align with the facts in this case. That's all I'm saying. A normal person would at the very least lose their clearance for what she did.

That's what I said when I first heard about it, If I checked out a classified document, I had to keep it in my direct sight at all times. Taking a classified document out of the building or transmitting it by email or other means is a crime.

So why weren't Goetz and his buddies arrested when they broke into one of the Capitol SCIFs during a closed hearing with their cellphones in the hands and/or pockets?

 

[espola]

Yeah, remember when Fuhrman said the “N” word?
And they thought OJ was on trial?
They were so wrong and you’re right!

It wasn't just that Fuhrman was a documented racist with a particular dislike of black men who married white women. It was also documented that he had unmonitored access to the scene of the crime and some of the evidence presented at the trial.