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Andy Dukes said:
So you think there are 30% of America that are that anti government on the left? Trump got there because Reagan set the stage. Don't trust government. The majority on the left are not anarchists and AOC could only win anything more than here little slice of New York by a big wave of anarchy. Most on the left like competent governance. Something the right finds deplorable.
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I'm saying that's what AOC believes because that's what she's saying she believes. What's scares me, is the power of the populist appeal.
 
tenacious said:
Great post. And I agree. But I also think there is a lot of radicalism on the left too. Which is why I'm pushing for a boring, traditional democrat. Let's get things cooled down and then we can start figuring out how to make things work better. If there is one thing in common across the board, from right to left it's that people want change. Let's just be smart about it and not let the crazy people take over.
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Nothing more traditional and boring than Biden . . . maybe throw in some flavor as VP.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I think the old guard is afraid of her and the 2020s are already agreeding on her 12 year new deal.
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Nancy flies back and forth to the west coast many times a month. It is more " bless her little heart" than a following. We do need to restructure the power grid and we are doing it in ways you will not notice unless you fly across the mid section of America. Storage is coming closer to a home by home thing or neighborhood thing and that will change many things. Oil is artificially low right now and that is still not enough to stop the trends.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Steve King speaks for a portion of the Republican Party. I don't see him having a position of power.
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Is Steve King that much worse then Trump? Again, people who get up on stage and saying they are going to punish those people and give you their stuff has proven to be an effective way for radicals to gain power.

I don't like Trump. I don't like Steve King. Nor do I like the radicals on the left who make populist arguments either.
 
tenacious said:
Great post. And I agree. But I also think there is a lot of radicalism on the left too. Which is why I'm pushing for a boring, traditional democrat. Let's get things cooled down and then we can start figuring out how to make things work better. If there is one thing in common across the board, from right to left it's that people want change. Let's just be smart about it and not let the crazy people take over.
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Who is the leader of the House of Representatives?
 
tenacious said:
Is Steve King that much worse then Trump? Again, people who get up on stage and saying they are going to punish those people and give you their stuff has proven to be an effective way for radicals to gain power.

I don't like Trump. I don't like Steve King. Nor do I like the radicals on the left who make populist arguments either.
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King, like t are only symptoms of the underlying disease, hate born by ignorance. Again there are many things, glitches in the system and the like, that we should thank t for exposing, the hate and rotting corpse of the American dream being another one.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
I for one thought facts and common sense would prevail, I was dead wrong.

Possibly a case of winning the battle yet losing the war. The gerrymandering was a bit clandestine and the effects of which were under estimated. In 2010 there was a backlash like 2018 but more intense due to the emotions that were elicited by the t-party and deep racial mistrust in our nation. All they had to do was show Obama's face to way more people than I ever realized and they voted Republican, some for the first time ever. Even traveling in South and seeing how the racial mistrust is DEEP and still thought facts and common sense would prevail, nope. The open racialism that is now prevalent in here as microcosm of what is now shown on national TV and accepted in the world at large (white nationalist dream come true) is frightening.
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Who do you think elected Obama?
Not black people you dumb fuck.
43% of whites voted for Obama vs 96% of black voted for Obama vs 66% of Hispanics voted for Obama.
Who are the fucking racists?
You dick.
 
tenacious said:
Is Steve King that much worse then Trump? Again, people who get up on stage and saying they are going to punish those people and give you their stuff has proven to be an effective way for radicals to gain power.

I don't like Trump. I don't like Steve King. Nor do I like the radicals on the left who make populist arguments either.
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Always the balancing act. Remember when Obama reminded folks they did not personally build the roads and infrastructure that helped them be successful and half the US went crazy? We are a long way away from cutting off heads in guillotines and commandeering everyone's wealth. That from a guy who backs heavy social programs and does not mind paying high taxes.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Always the balancing act. Remember when Obama reminded folks they did not personally build the roads and infrastructure that helped them be successful and half the US went crazy? We are a long way away from cutting off heads in guillotines and commandeering everyone's wealth. That from a guy who backs heavy social programs and does not mind paying high taxes.
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I think this is a straw man argument. No one I know disagrees on building roads or paying for a safety net. Where the disagreement starts is when folks start talking about capitalism being irredeemable to cheering throngs. And that it's time the government start giving them other peoples stuff with abandon.

But I can understand how if I was looking to be an apologist I would keep pretending this is about tax dollars paying for roads.
 
tenacious said:
I think this is a straw man argument. No one I know disagrees on building roads or paying for a safety net. Where the disagreement starts is when folks start talking about capitalism being irredeemable to cheering throngs. And that it's time the government start giving them other peoples stuff with abandon.

But I can understand how if I was looking to be an apologist I would keep pretending this is about tax dollars paying for roads.
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Describe a throng? Warren called herself a capitalist. While, I might consider myself a social democrat like Bill De Blasio or even Bernie, I believe we all understand the need for economies to function in mostly a work and risk for reward system. De Blasio was not demanding Amazon pay extra taxes to come to New York.
 
Andy Dukes said:
Yes. Do you think that AOC could win the Speakership?
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No... I'd like to see a lasting coalition of dems that will make actual lasting progress on things like fixing roads, affordable healthcare, restoring dignity and civility to government. I do not believe this is possible with progressives, so we should cut the cord and look to attract moderate conservatives who are chaffing under Trump.

Did you see that video of Chelsea Clinton being harassed at a vigil for victims of that shooter down in New Zealand? It's impossible to build a coalition with people like that...
https://people.com/politics/chelsea-clinton-confronted-students-new-zealand-vigil-islamophobia/amp/
 
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