Sheriff Joe
DA
For me, watching my daughter play high school is against non club kids makes you appreciate real training.
Play High School or Not?
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I wish it were only “against.” We have a mixed bag (JV) of maybe 4-5 kids that are flight 1/silver elite club players, 8. or so low to mid flight 2 and 7-8 flight 3/Rec players. There is talent but you can see the higher level players trying to pass the ball where the mid to lower level will either boot it or try to dribble through 3 defenders.
I love that my kid is playing high school soccer. Seems to re-energize a love of the game but my kid is missing the club team skill however. Some of the best comments on the way home are about bad passing and inability to shoot. At least it can be laughed off so far.
Sheriff Joe
DA
Funny, after complaining about club for months the first week of high school she said she misses club.
This policy seems to vary from club to club and coach to coach. There are definitely some clubs that have not allowed DA players to play high school
The rule is by US Soccer. Once you play a match for a high school team you are ineligible for DA the rest of the year unless you are a part time player. My HS team has already played against 4 DA players, one of which was in FL for the showcase. With the others no idea if they are planning to go back to DA after the HS season, but it's not like we are going to tell on them so I would bet for most clubs it's a don't ask don't tell policy.
Not ditching DA. Played in Florida and plan to play DA in January. I guess it is a don’t ask don’t tell policy. At least it keeps the quality of high school up a little better. I just feel sorry for the families/clubs that are following the rules.
Last year it was a little different because it was the first year of DA for girls. Girls that had previously played high school were grandfathered in by US Soccer if their club allowed them to play.
I admit the FAQ does not fully set forth the rule. The rule is here: https://ussoccer.box.com/s/wk8nm2mwq34yvbbu548pvwywmdkklzju. See, Article III, Section F, Paragraph 4 discussing the procedure for Academy players playing for HS teams. The answer is basically, the player must prove to US Soccer that playing HS Soccer is a fundamental part of their enrollment criteria at the private school.
4. Academy Players currently registered with an DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.
a) Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.
b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their clubs Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by DA office before September 1, 2018, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:
b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their clubs Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by DA office before September 1, 2018, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:
(1) Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible
(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.
(3) Players registered with a Development DA Club will not be allowed to reenter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.
c) The waiver must include the following points:(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.
(3) Players registered with a Development DA Club will not be allowed to reenter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.
(1) Addressed to Academy Program from the Principal, Head Master or similar position
(2) Player name and high school
(3) States the player is expected to participate in high school soccer as part of their enrollment at this school and subsidized education
(4) States the term, semester and/or dates in which the player will be participating in high school soccer
(5) Signed and dated
(6) Sent to Academy Office for approval prior to the start of the high school season
(2) Player name and high school
(3) States the player is expected to participate in high school soccer as part of their enrollment at this school and subsidized education
(4) States the term, semester and/or dates in which the player will be participating in high school soccer
(5) Signed and dated
(6) Sent to Academy Office for approval prior to the start of the high school season
TangoCity
GOLD
Yes. It would be a great way for the bench players to get more playing time on their often crowded rosters and limited substitution rules.
End of the Line
SILVER ELITE
I'd like to know how USSF explains that it isn't fraud to induce players to participate in the GDA by promising that any kid in HS in 2017-18 would be able to play HS throughout the rest of their HS career without affecting their GDA status, only t0 change that rule after people have relied on it to change clubs and leagues? The DA's own website still shows USSF made this promise when it formed GDA.
That's one way to beat your competitor. Steal its customers by lying to them about your product or service.
Is girls high school soccer generally more attractive soccer than boys high school? This is a very small sample size, but I went to the local high school boys game, and it was major kickball from both teams, not once was it played out the back. I'm not sure there ever was more than 3 consecutive passes connected. (it should be noted that the HS has historically been a very good soccer school, with a few CIF championships with their current coach, although they were some time ago). The following day I went to a HS girls game and the quality of the soccer by both teams was significantly better...crisp, multiple connected passes, few goalie punts, buildup etc.
My son is a few years away from having to potentially choose DA or HS and a lot can happen between now and then so I'm not worried about it. However, if he was having to make the decision now I'd probably encourage him to stay in DA.
My son is a few years away from having to potentially choose DA or HS and a lot can happen between now and then so I'm not worried about it. However, if he was having to make the decision now I'd probably encourage him to stay in DA.
Yes I know the rule well. When my ds played, many lower socioeconomic Hispanic boys were able to attend private schools based upon their soccer ability. I recall this was particularly used in South OC a lot.
However, this is not the case I am seeing for the girls. Privileged straight A students that previously attended private or highly rated public schools with professional parents are not what the rule was intended to help. Shame on the schools and families.
Multi Sport
DA
What does straight A's have to do with this? For that matter what does White have to do with it?
Straight A students are able to get into these private schools based upon their academic achievements and thus soccer is NOT a defermining factor or “consideration” as defined in (1) off why they got into the private school. So they do not meet the waiver requirements.
Now please show me where I used the word “white.” Don’t make this abiut race. I only mentioned Hispanic because I was familiar with a large number of boys that met the rule.
Loser joe is long established here as a racist poster. He just can't help himself.
Last week I watched a boys JV team scrimmage a girls varsity and some things stuck in my head:
Girls passed more accurately
Girls communicated on the field and from the sidelines
Girls played unselfishly
Girls collectively showed more skill
Boys won handily
Using superior passing and skill (in my opinion) the girls would move up the field but the boys speed and aggressiveness countered them in the final third every time.
The first half the boys were playing kickball and finally settled down the second half to score a few times. Granted the boys were trying out a new formation and people were out of their normal positions which may have lead to the first half mess.
The girls coach was yelling at the boys every time they would run down the field with/at the ball; “DON’T TOUCH MY PLAYER!” It was pretty amusing.
Ironically I’ve always felt that girls were the more aggressive when younger. They wouldn’t hesitate to run into a player (boy or girl). Perhaps its just the size difference now or the coach held them in check for this game.
My answer to your question: Yes, the girls play a much more attractive game. It would have been more fun to watch the girls play another girls team. The communication, style, width of the field was excellent.
The boys play a much more aggressive game where they feel the whole time they need to get the ball up the field as quickly as possible, or at least out of their back third.
Watch a Cathedral or Bishops game...
I can tell you as a boys coach, we are not trying to develop our players other than developing them as a young men. So while I have always coached out of the back with club, we want to win and feel that will happen with a direct, high press style. Sometimes it looks like kick ball because we aren't great at passing over two levels of defenders to our 9's. Other times it looks like kick ball because a back is playing a long ball to an open space and the midfielder who is supposed to shoot the gap hasn't done it. Other times it looks like kick ball because they panic under pressure. But we've won all our games with very young and average talent and that's the bottom line at this level.