Subject: SCDSL Discovery Division parent, coach and player sideline behavior - PLEASE READ AND PASS

MWN said:
Sort of but not really, Discovery appears to be in response to DPL, NPL, SuperY and some other gaming circuits that have popped up with similar promises. What we are seeing is that there is a class of clubs/teams that are looking for high level play with more amenities ... better fields, medical at the field, showcases, more experienced referees, etc. CSL Premier checks most of those boxes, just without the Showcase.

Where SCDSL kicked and missed is the lack of game video as part of the division. If its was really a true Discovery division then every game would be filmed from 20'-25' in the air to allow the athletes and parents that are sold this "discovery" concept the opportunity to create recruiting videos and there would be no silly rules regarding outside vendors (assuming insurance was in place). Calling the division the "SCDSL Kinda-Sorta-Quasi-Discovery Division for College Coaches-With-Spooky-Extra-Sensory-Remote-Viewing-Abilities" wouldn't fit on the business cards, so "Discovery Division" is it.

The fundamental difference between CSL and SCDSL remains, which is SCDSL's more liberal player passing (both up and down, regardless of roster level), more liberal team placement with SCDSL allowing coaches to move teams up and down (Flight 3 to Flight 1) based on optimistic belief, in this case CSL is much more rigid, SCDSL is also more geographically concentrated.
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I think where SCDSL really made an impact (you can decide if it was a good or bad impact) was allowing clubs to field as many teams per age group as they can fill. Coast has a maximum of 5 teams per age group. SCDSL does not have this.
So now you have "Mega Clubs" that could field their own gaming circuit.
(In Girls 2005 SCDSL - There are 14 versions of Slammers teams. 10 Pateadores teams. 9 teams with Surf in their name. )
 
FWRL was 50x better than CRL. CRL was only decent the 1st 2yrs and then it dropped off drastically. SCDSL just gave the wackos the power to run the asylum. CSL was ran by Kim Jung Un.
But I would prefer CSL of promotion and relegation, which SCDSL agrees with (champions flight)
If you weren’t first you weren’t making out of Bronze. That simple
 
timbuck said:
I think where SCDSL really made an impact (you can decide if it was a good or bad impact) was allowing clubs to field as many teams per age group as they can fill. Coast has a maximum of 5 teams per age group. SCDSL does not have this.
So now you have "Mega Clubs" that could field their own gaming circuit.
(In Girls 2005 SCDSL - There are 14 versions of Slammers teams. 10 Pateadores teams. 9 teams with Surf in their name. )
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Big club imitation branding is the new "development", which a few years ago replaced "academy" as a club marketing tool.
 
Eagle33 said:
Right now in CSL Premier there are maybe top 2-3 true Premier teams and the rest would be Silver Elite at best before SCDSL was formed.
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It really depends on each age group. For example in rhe 2003 age group, only 6 of the top 30 teams ranked in youthsoccer.com come from SCDSL. I think it's just 1 of the top 10 as well.

In this group CSL is by far the better league. Flight 2 is equivalent to Silver and flight 1 Europa is about a Silver Elite.
 
Some of our discovery friends told us the league sent out another blast email about having a 4th official at all the games this past weekend for the boys

So what or how did this 4th official work out? Long Beach association was meantioned.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
It really depends on each age group. For example in rhe 2003 age group, only 6 of the top 30 teams ranked in youthsoccer.com come from SCDSL. I think it's just 1 of the top 10 as well.

In this group CSL is by far the better league. Flight 2 is equivalent to Silver and flight 1 Europa is about a Silver Elite.
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What is this youth soccer.com site your referring to? Says it's not reachable.

Season is just a few weeks old and there is a mash of new or reconstructed teams so I'm not sure how you can rank teams just yet?
 
jpeter said:
Ok I looked for the age 2003 mentioned, 4 out of the top 10 teams have basically similar team names so I don't know what's what?

Guadalajara valley junior 25 never heard of them. Had one ecnl and one da listed but none of the others so hard to say this site is that accurate when everything is mixed up and it's based on last year's results from whatever?
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The link was for national rankings. To be of more practical use for most of us, you have to filter it. The message you quoted referred to 2003 and since the message was about So Cal:

2003 Girls:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/CAS/16/Girls/

2003 Boys:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/CAS/16/Boys/

The ranking system isn't just based upon last year's results. If you click on a team you will see what goes into it. There are some issues. For instance, for G03, IE Surf has 2 entries in the girls and will also probably have a Legends name change problem. The site has a way to ID remedy those problems.
 
jpeter said:
Ok I looked for the age 2003 mentioned, 4 out of the top 10 teams have basically similar team names so I don't know what's what?

Guadalajara valley junior 25 never heard of them. Had one ecnl and one da listed but none of the others so hard to say this site is that accurate when everything is mixed up and it's based on last year's results from whatever?
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The results are updated weekly, but only with specifically sanctioned games. But DA teams don't do well in those rankings because there's so little interaction between DA and non DA teams. You pretty have to consider the DA separately.
 
Eagle33 said:
Right now in CSL Premier there are maybe top 2-3 true Premier teams and the rest would be Silver Elite at best before SCDSL was formed.
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Premier today definitely not the Premier of a few years ago.
Some of the scores this year are really bad, no competition for the top teams.
 
focomoso said:
The results are updated weekly, but only with specifically sanctioned games. But DA teams don't do well in those rankings because there's so little interaction between DA and non DA teams. You pretty have to consider the DA separately.
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Weekly for what?

The one ecnl team had updates for this season but the CSl & DSL teams don't have anything from this season.

Galaxy is #33 or something and hasn't had any updates since 2017.

Unless someone cleans up the data and has consistent regular updates from all hard to take these rankings seriously.
 
jpeter said:
Some of our discovery friends told us the league sent out another blast email about having a 4th official at all the games this past weekend for the boys

So what or how did this 4th official work out? Long Beach association was meantioned.
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There were four refers at the Discovery games on Sunday. The fourth ref sat a midfield during the game, taking notes. I noticed that they rotated the position of one game to the next.
 
GunninGopher said:
The link was for national rankings. To be of more practical use for most of us, you have to filter it. The message you quoted referred to 2003 and since the message was about So Cal:

2003 Girls:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/CAS/16/Girls/

2003 Boys:
https://youthsoccerrankings.us/rankings/CAS/16/Boys/

The ranking system isn't just based upon last year's results. If you click on a team you will see what goes into it. There are some issues. For instance, for G03, IE Surf has 2 entries in the girls and will also probably have a Legends name change problem. The site has a way to ID remedy those problems.
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Yup used the link and again same results 5 out of 10 top teams in boys are same LA... So obviously they don't remedy or track correctly.

#6 team says Guadalajara valley fc but they are a bronze 2003 team in CSL that's 6-0.

#7 team no updates since may.

Spotting data and updates, from some leagues but not others: nothing from DSL, DA, and others. There have data from CRL and CSL so of course those teams looks better but otherwise not all that usefull.
 
jpeter said:
Yup used the link and again same results 5 out of 10 top teams in boys are same LA... So obviously they don't remedy or track correctly.

#6 team says Guadalajara valley fc but they are a bronze 2003 team in CSL that's 6-0.

#7 team no updates since may.

Spotting data and updates, from some leagues but not others: nothing from DSL, DA, and others. There have data from CRL and CSL so of course those teams looks better but otherwise not all that usefull.
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There are some issues with it, no doubt. It is up to the teams to clean up the mess. It starts with managers and registrars using consistent team names.
 
GunninGopher said:
There are some issues with it, no doubt. It is up to the teams to clean up the mess. It starts with managers and registrars using consistent team names.
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Boca Jr LA, LA United FA Boca, LA United FA Reserves , LA United Pre Academy . All the same team.
 
Another idea would be to report yellow cards for every game on every player. A few years ago SCDSL stopped reporting cautions and only report red cards. Player and team penalties for accumulation would probably stop some the problems them have.
 
GunninGopher said:
There are some issues with it, no doubt. It is up to the teams to clean up the mess. It starts with managers and registrars using consistent team names.
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Yeah that may be true but there is a big flaw in how they do rankings when a bronze CSL team is ranked #6 due to beating up the easiest comp around for 6 games, just saying.

That and only taking or loading rankings from certain leagues games and ignoring others does not make for a good comparsion or realistic rankings Imo. Obviously most of these are hostical rankings cumulative so that is skewed also for new teams like the above example or those that play more or in the events that are tracked regularly (CRl, CSL, Nat cup)
 
Toch said:
Seems like you want to justify some bad behavior. Hopefully the parent who had the ref in a headlock & the coach who harassed the young ref were arrested
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Justify?? I don't think so! Everyone needs to take ownership of their actions and that also includes the league. If a parent or coach put hands on anyone that's not acceptable and is a battery charge. Agree with you 100% there. However, if the league isn't ensuring they have the right skill set managing the game, that lands in their hands hence mutual ownership. Control what's yours to control. Neither side is immune. That email was very emotionally one sided. This wasn't an isolated incident to the game your post references. In the game I saw the ref and ar actually stepped as far away as they could from 14 year old girls getting into a hair pulling scuffle and did nothing. Not a word said as it was happening. League officials had to run onto the field the get in the middle of it. It escalated to that point by taking zero action. Justifying....... Yea I don't think so.

There is should definitely be mutual ownership for those scenarios described. Parents, coaches, and players all have a code of conduct they need to adhere to and that behavior cant be condoned but leagues have to also take ownership of their product which includes venues, refs, etc. No excuse for that stuff but the leagues have to do a better job at grading/rating refs if that's one of the drivers in the email. There is zero recourse for those who invest thousands into the product. Once a kid gets hurt due to a foul or from an altercation its too late to say we are dealing with the refs. Hopefully that level setting isn't just directed to those on one side of that equation but a reflection in the mirror of how to improve the product for all involved. Police yourself before you attempt to police others. Parents be the example!
 
The site loads just about everything
jpeter said:
Yeah that may be true but there is a big flaw in how they do rankings when a bronze CSL team is ranked #6 due to beating up the easiest comp around for 6 games, just saying.

That and only taking or loading rankings from certain leagues games and ignoring others does not make for a good comparsion or realistic rankings Imo. Obviously most of these are hostical rankings cumulative so that is skewed also for new teams like the above example or those that play more or in the events that are tracked regularly (CRl, CSL, Nat cup)
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As to the team in question, with only 6 games to work with, you can expect a teams rankings to be inaccurate.The main problem in that instance only 2 of their listed opponents have any history out of league this year, and it is likely one or both of them is mis-assigned. If you care about that particular division, do the work to get the teams straightened out. I definitely agree there is a problem there. As you correctly point out, a B03 State Cup Governor's/CSL Bronze team shouldn't be ranked that high.

While I can't speak for DA and other leagues, the site does bring in most league management systems that a vast majority of the teams play in. Personally, I'm not interested in seeing what some system or algorithm has my kid's team ranked. I just like that it is a convenient way to have an initial impression of an upcoming opponent and is a aggregation of who they've played, where they played and how they did, which is important. The ranking does provide a way to gauge the team's progress from a 10,000' foot level, but a team's quality comes down to who you play, how you play them, and where you finish in major competitions.

I'm not saying the site is perfect, but it is the best thing available and, while it sounds like it is new to you, it has been around for a while. Chris took the site down a year ago and there was a major uproar and groundswell movement to bring it back. Please work to be a part of the solution to the problems that you are concerned with.
 
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