Recruiting Tips for Parents Just Starting the Process

Simisoccerfan said:
Thanks for making me regret even posting anything on this topic. I had no intention to brag but if that is what you got out of it fine. Won’t see me sharing anything in this thread again.
Click to expand...
Please continue to share! Don't let the bitter people outweigh those of use who are interested in hearing about all parts of this process. Those of you calling it bragging are showing yourselves to be quite envious.

Also, anyone who really thought anything changed with those new recruiting rules is naive.
 
Well Simi’s kid went to the camp st UCSD this week and the way he wrote about it makes it seem that he had to pay for the camp? Am I mistaken? And if he did pay, it seeems to me that they are not high on the list since it would not cost anything for the school to allow them to attend the camp for free. Not trying to make a judgement but that is an expensive residential week long camp and doing a couple of those without knowing where you stand can really make a dent in a wallet.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
https://compliance.sports.uga.edu/camps/ncaa-bylaws-concerning-camps/

It’s against NCAA rules to give free or reduced admission to camps. UCSD Camp is expensive but it is one of my kids top choices. We would not have attended if the coaches hadn’t watch her play recently and suggested that she attend. The same goes for any other camp.
Click to expand...
Thank you for the info. I wonder if there is a loophole somewhere in there if they wanted to sponsor the camp? Like maybe just invite them and have them train in a “separate” group from the camp??? Just wondering, no judgement.
 
I will say this. I know the term unicorn is thrown out there. Especially rainbow unicorn.:confused: But, I see players that I would call unicorns but others don’t see these players the same way. I have 40 years in this game as a college and amateur player and have played with ex-national players and pro players. And, have watched with a keen eye. I’m not sure what a unicorn is any more. Or an elite player. Those terms are quite subjective now.
 
Last edited:
MakeAPlay said:
Lastly the only thing that is an indicator of your players value to schools is the size of your players offer and how much (if any) you have to pony up for school. Good luck to you and your player.
Click to expand...
MAP or anyone else that might have a general understanding: what is a reasonable expectation for Division 1 Women's soccer scholarships with regard to amount? Is it a full scholarship for a couple of players at each school and then approximately 50% for the rest of the team? Is it between 50% and 100% for the top ten players and then between 0 and 50% for the rest to fight over? I guess I understand that full scholarships are relatively rare, but I don't really have a good feel for what the most popular scholarship percentage is for the run of the mill excellent players that aren't really unicorns.
 
pooka said:
Please continue to share! Don't let the bitter people outweigh those of use who are interested in hearing about all parts of this process. Those of you calling it bragging are showing yourselves to be quite envious.

Also, anyone who really thought anything changed with those new recruiting rules is naive.
Click to expand...
Trust me - neither bitter nor envious - everyone has their own path for recruiting and there are many ways for your DD to achieve that dream. The post just came across as look at me and how cool I am and how much money I am spending - - if you post something on a public forum people you have to be prepared for reactions from others no matter what your intentions are (such as calling me bitter and envious which is funny to me). And, I agree,not much has really changed with the new recruiting rules.
 
Hank Walker said:
MAP or anyone else that might have a general understanding: what is a reasonable expectation for Division 1 Women's soccer scholarships with regard to amount? Is it a full scholarship for a couple of players at each school and then approximately 50% for the rest of the team? Is it between 50% and 100% for the top ten players and then between 0 and 50% for the rest to fight over? I guess I understand that full scholarships are relatively rare, but I don't really have a good feel for what the most popular scholarship percentage is for the run of the mill excellent players that aren't really unicorns.
Click to expand...
From some of my experience so far it seems a couple NT players with full scholarships and much reduced % for others - many with a combination of financial need and academic scholarships and then many with $0.
 
Monkey said:
Thank you for the info. I wonder if there is a loophole somewhere in there if they wanted to sponsor the camp? Like maybe just invite them and have them train in a “separate” group from the camp??? Just wondering, no judgement.
Click to expand...

One loophole is that the coaches cannot make any concrete offers during the camp. However, after the camp is ok. "After" can be as soon as in the car driving home, or in a friend's apartment taking a shower before driving home.
 
pooka said:
Also, anyone who really thought anything changed with those new recruiting rules is naive.
Click to expand...
Can you please explain further. Are coaches just ignoring the new rules or are there loopholes in it?
I thought it was clear based on posts on this forum that offers could not be made until Junior year?
 
From my understanding it says nothing about making offers - they just can't meet with you on campus until Junior year - you can still call on phone and talk with coach that way - the changes are a bit silly in practicality
 
Hank Walker said:
MAP or anyone else that might have a general understanding: what is a reasonable expectation for Division 1 Women's soccer scholarships with regard to amount? Is it a full scholarship for a couple of players at each school and then approximately 50% for the rest of the team? Is it between 50% and 100% for the top ten players and then between 0 and 50% for the rest to fight over? I guess I understand that full scholarships are relatively rare, but I don't really have a good feel for what the most popular scholarship percentage is for the run of the mill excellent players that aren't really unicorns.
Click to expand...

It is difficult to generalize. While I agree a very high % offer reflects a strong interest in a player, each school and coach have unique strategies, and they also have varying amounts of $ available each year depending on current roster commitments. Some take into account financial need and adjust accordingly. The math says on average you get around 50%. But the reality is you may get an offer that is less first year, and more in later years.

On the other side of the spectrum, an offer without scholarship is really just an option for the coach, and a nice assist in admission for your child. If your kid likes the school and you are fortunate to be able to afford it, then even that scenario is a success story, in my book. A good in-state school with no money may cost less than a private with a 50% or less scholarship.

What I would emphasize is to make sure you do not give any coach the impression your level of interest is based size of the offer, though you can make it clear the level of assistance might impact your ability to attend.
 
Hank Walker said:
MAP or anyone else that might have a general understanding: what is a reasonable expectation for Division 1 Women's soccer scholarships with regard to amount? Is it a full scholarship for a couple of players at each school and then approximately 50% for the rest of the team? Is it between 50% and 100% for the top ten players and then between 0 and 50% for the rest to fight over? I guess I understand that full scholarships are relatively rare, but I don't really have a good feel for what the most popular scholarship percentage is for the run of the mill excellent players that aren't really unicorns.
Click to expand...

Like others have said it varies. On a team with 28 players at a school that fully funds women’s soccer you have 14 scholarships which works out to an average of half. Although, as stated by others you will have some players get a lot of money up to and including a full ride and some that just get book money or no money. Players can also get more money later as it becomes available. My guideline is that if you are spending what you spent per year for club or less you are doing really well. Although quite honestly I was willing to spend $17k a year if my player had decided to attend Stanford. I know a good deal when I see it.
 
Soccer43 said:
oh please - No one cares which schools you are visiting. If you have questions or getting feedback cool but no one is impressed with your attempt at braggin......Also, schools will pay or your visit after you are age eligible for official visits and if they really really want you - you can have more than one official visit.
Click to expand...

Dude, be nice. We are all proud of what our kids have accomplished and all have the right to brag a little.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Like others have said it varies. On a team with 28 players at a school that fully funds women’s soccer you have 14 scholarships which works out to an average of half. Although, as stated by others you will have some players get a lot of money up to and including a full ride and some that just get book money or no money. Players can also get more money later as it becomes available. My guideline is that if you are spending what you spent per year for club or less you are doing really well. Although quite honestly I was willing to spend $17k a year if my player had decided to attend Stanford. I know a good deal when I see it.
Click to expand...
It’s like a floating hard wood floor. One or two years some money. Years 3-4 it opens up. Good to know.
 
Monkey said:
Can you please explain further. Are coaches just ignoring the new rules or are there loopholes in it?
I thought it was clear based on posts on this forum that offers could not be made until Junior year?
Click to expand...

Here is the "NCAA Official" document on dates:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2017-18DIREC_DIOtherSportsRecruitingGuide_20171205.pdf

An NCAA D1 coach cannot "recruit" a soccer player until 9/1 of Junior Year. The term recruit means, coach contacts player. Players are free to contact coaches (on their own) and promote themselves beginning at birth.

An NCAA D1 coach cannot pay for a discount a camp for a prospect, so just ignore the poster that claimed that gem. The NCAA allows a recruit to make only five visits to Division I schools. Official visits to DII and DIII schools are unlimited. The school is limited is what it can pay for, with transportation to and from the campus, lodging throughout the visit, three meals per day and three tickets to a home sports event. Only the athlete and their parent/guardian are covered. Siblings pay their own way.

With regard to what and how much gets paid for, you can make a few assumptions. First, the more the schools covers, the higher up the athlete is on the list. Second, all the money used to pay for official visits comes out of the schools budget and some schools have small budgets and cannot afford to pay too much, even for kids at the top of the list, so appreciate that just because the official visit isn't fully covered may simply mean the school doesn't have the funds in their budget, but really, really wants the kid.
 
I was talking to my sister over the weekend and though she played a different sport I thought this was worth sharing.

She is currently coaching for a National team that was competing over the weekend. One of the players who attends her alma mater shared with her that her scholarship is being reduced by 30% next year. Not sure if they are trying to move her to a split academic/athletic scholarship but if they can do it to this young lady it can happenn to anyone.
 
Multi Sport said:
I was talking to my sister over the weekend and though she played a different sport I thought this was worth sharing.

She is currently coaching for a National team that was competing over the weekend. One of the players who attends her alma mater shared with her that her scholarship is being reduced by 30% next year. Not sure if they are trying to move her to a split academic/athletic scholarship but if they can do it to this young lady it can happenn to anyone.
Click to expand...

Not in the PAC 12 or BIG Ten as long as they were a 2016 recruit or later.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top