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xav10 said:
No way. Just me. What do you pretend to do for a living, Joe? Do you leave your house, even though there may be an “illegal” looking to harm you or take your job around every corner? Boo!
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I am independently wealthy and it might be a bad decision for an illegal to try and harm me.
 
xav10 said:
Completely wrong. Have you ever negotiated an NDA? First of all, this wasn’t an NDA, it was a confidentiality agreement. Secondly, it was made after-the-fact for a lot of money, which isn’t how confidentiality agreements typically work. Usually a confidentiality provision is attached to a services agreement or a settlement agreement, it doesn’t exist on its own...so it was hush money.
FYI, I negotiate agreements for a living.
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NDA and CA are basically one and the same.
The agreement and money are common place.
Congratulations on negotiating agreements for a living.
Contractors negotiate agreements for services rendered almost daily. So?
 
Lion Eyes said:
NDA and CA are basically one and the same.
The agreement and money are common place.
Congratulations on negotiating agreements for a living.
Contractors negotiate agreements for services rendered almost daily. So?
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So my view of confidentiality agreements and this being hush money wrapped up in a confidentiality agreement holds more sway than yours. Although the new Republican thinking is that Americans get to be stupid and opinions from anybody are as valid as opinions from experts, so you keep deciding about Trump’s agreements and I will decide the most durable carpeting.
 
xav10 said:
So my view of confidentiality agreements and this being hush money wrapped up in a confidentiality agreement holds more sway than yours. Although the new Republican thinking is that Americans get to be stupid and opinions from anybody are as valid as opinions from experts, so you keep deciding about Trump’s agreements and I will decide the most durable carpeting.
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Trumps agreements?
NDA's & CA's are made daily...doesn't matter if it's Trump, which seemingly is your only bitch.
Good luck with your carpet...
 
Lion Eyes said:
Trumps agreements?
NDA's & CA's are made daily...doesn't matter if it's Trump, which seemingly is your only bitch.
Good luck with your carpet...
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Let’s be clear.
It was hush money for sex.
It was handled through intermediaries so he could continue to deny it, as he still does.
I understand you’re fine with him doing that and lying about it.
Sounds like maybe you’re an evangelical.
 
xav10 said:
Let’s be clear.
It was hush money for sex.
It was handled through intermediaries so he could continue to deny it, as he still does.
I understand you’re fine with him doing that and lying about it.
Sounds like maybe you’re an evangelical.
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So it was hush money.
Does that make the agreement null and void or illegal?
You don't understand shit counselor. I'm not fine with it.The left let Clinton skate and he lied under oath.
The left are the ones that said, but it was only about sex. The left forgave him.
I am Christian but I'm no evangelical.
Sounds like your a typical hypocritical two faced progressive....counselor...
Stick with carpet decisions.
 
Lion Eyes said:
So it was hush money.
Does that make the agreement null and void or illegal?
You don't understand shit counselor. I'm not fine with it.The left let Clinton skate and he lied under oath.
The left are the ones that said, but it was only about sex. The left forgave him.
I am Christian but I'm no evangelical.
Sounds like your a typical hypocritical two faced progressive....counselor...
Stick with carpet decisions.
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Clinton was impeached and had his law license stripped, correct? What has happened to Trump, exactly? So what’s your point...(besides being a “Christian” who endorses hush money paid for adulterous relationships and then lying about it, of course...unless that is your point)? I already said it’s legal. Paying someone to have sex with you is illegal but paying someone to keep quiet about sex isn’t.
 
xav10 said:
Clinton was impeached and had his law license stripped, correct? What has happened to Trump, exactly? So what’s your point...(besides being a “Christian” who endorses hush money paid for adulterous relationships and then lying about it, of course...unless that is your point)? I already said it’s legal. Paying someone to have sex with you is illegal but paying someone to keep quiet about sex isn’t.
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But this I think brings us to the interesting part... because now two women have gone public despite signing contracts that basically said they would not.

So what happens now? Before becoming president Trump could use his money to threaten them with a stream of unending lawsuits that would bankrupt the women- but of course now that he's president such a move will open the floodgates of both donations to the women's legal defense fund, and also a floodgate of old flings getting called into court to testify under oath about the sex he's paid them to keep quiet about.

Oy vey. I just don't see any good moves for Trump to easily make all the scandal go away. This is going to be front page news for the next two years of his presidency.
 
tenacious said:
I have to admit I find all the legal maneuvering by the Trump team to quash any talk of his infidelities to be fascinating. Although is paying hush money to keep a story quiet illegal? I guess setting the ethics aside, I'm a bit surprised that two grown adults can't enter into an agreement where one agrees not to publicly relate a negative story in exchange for cash...
Likewise with the Playboy Bunny, sounds like National Enquirer bought the rights to her story telling her they were going to print an article about the affair... and then buried the scandal as a favor to Trump once they owned the rights. Totally unethical... but at the same time I'm not sure what's illegal (or maybe unenforceable) about the arrangement or how the women can "take back" ownership of a story they seemingly have sold to Trump and allies for cash. Playing devils advocate here, but wouldn't that be stealing intellectual property...
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I can see lawyers in the future including clauses in contracts for their clients that would expire in a certain time if the publisher doesn't publish.
 
espola said:
I can see lawyers in the future including clauses in contracts for their clients that would expire in a certain time if the publisher doesn't publish.
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Happens all the time already. She must have known they were going to bury it, is my guess. That was the deal. Trump gets the Enquirer to call it "life story rights," which is more subtle than the hush money deal with the porn star, and they pay her and bury the story.
 
"I've known Stormy Daniels a long time, and I'll be honest, she may have mentioned some of this stuff around 10 years ago," Rogen said. "At the time, when you ask a porn star who they've been sleeping with and the answer was Donald Trump, it was like the least surprising thing that she could've said."
 
xav10 said:
Clinton was impeached and had his law license stripped, correct? What has happened to Trump, exactly? So what’s your point...(besides being a “Christian” who endorses hush money paid for adulterous relationships and then lying about it, of course...unless that is your point)? I already said it’s legal. Paying someone to have sex with you is illegal but paying someone to keep quiet about sex isn’t.
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Trump didn't lie under oath....Trump hasn't ignored a court order...
Clinton was impeached for both of the above, but he wasn't removed from office.
He wasn't removed from office because the Senate didn't thing lying about sex was reason enough to remove him from office.
Trump hasn't been placed under oath, much less interviewed by special council.
Seems to me you're putting the horse before the cart counselor...
 
Lion Eyes said:
Trump didn't lie under oath....Trump hasn't ignored a court order...
Clinton was impeached for both of the above, but he wasn't removed from office.
He wasn't removed from office because the Senate didn't thing lying about sex was reason enough to remove him from office.
Trump hasn't been placed under oath, much less interviewed by special council.
Seems to me you're putting the horse before the cart counselor...
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Nope I’m not. Sounds like we agree on the facts, at least. But I do think you have the expression backwards.
 
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xav10 said:
Happens all the time already. She must have known they were going to bury it, is my guess. That was the deal. Trump gets the Enquirer to call it "life story rights," which is more subtle than the hush money deal with the porn star, and they pay her and bury the story.
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Been a while so not sure I remember full story but think she said she sold rights to story thinking it would come out, and instead they used their ownership of the rights to deny the affair took place. That’s why she came out and told her story... (per her account).

On a plane about to take off or I’d find article.
 
tenacious said:
Been a while so not sure I remember full story but think she said she sold rights to story thinking it would come out, and instead they used their ownership of the rights to deny the affair took place. That’s why she came out and told her story... (per her account).

On a plane about to take off or I’d find article.
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That could be the case, too.
 
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