ECNL Phoenix Coaches list?

BigSoccer said:
One really quick point. Throughout the country boys and girls are leaving DA because their DA club DOES NOT allow them to play high school. Some do and some don't. Just like some ECNL clubs do and some don't. US Soccer does not want DA players playing high school but leave it up to the club. The majority of the DA clubs who do not want their players playing DA are those who are fully funded like Galaxy, LAFC, Golden State and others. Those that allow kids to play high school do it as they are afraid to lose the player.

I hope the coaches go where the player they are wanting to see is playing and are ignoring the "name plate" as neither is the best and neither is the worst and this goes for both boys and girls. There are some no so good players playing on DA teams and not so good player playing in ECNL. There are very talented ECNL players and there are very talented DA players. There is someone better than none of us have seen playing in some league somewhere that would break our kids ankles that is reality.
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A good player will look great playing against and average team. The top players need to play with and against other top players to really get a good comparison.
 
We know two boys in differing ages groups at different DA teams who left DA to go playbhigh school one was 02/01 and the other was an 03. One was in TX. Reading other posts from other states state the parents are having kids leave their DA to get a high school experience. No data just reading and personal experience.
No we go back to my regional bias of leagues and let' say their is a kid who is DA quality living in Tucson and parents don' want to drive to Phoenix are you saying he or she isn't good enough or is only good in a small pond.
 
Drive to Phoenix. No question. My kid is a marginal player at DA, not a superstar and the system is set up so that you can be in direct contact with coaches. Well worth it.
 
Ok let's say Vegas. Where the nearest DA is at least 4 or 5 hours away. Should a parent drive there 3 or 4 times a weeks to play DA. My point is not all the big fish are in the DA but this site only views DA and Socal as the only place that works in the soccerworld. Now being from here I believe that we do have more talented players than other regions and not all are DA or ECNL on either boys or girls.
 
BigSoccer said:
Ok let's say Vegas. Where the nearest DA is at least 4 or 5 hours away. Should a parent drive there 3 or 4 times a weeks to play DA. My point is not all the big fish are in the DA but this site only views DA and Socal as the only place that works in the soccerworld. Now being from here I believe that we do have more talented players than other regions and not all are DA or ECNL on either boys or girls.
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From an AZ perspective. No way am I driving that distance to play DA when Vegas for example has ECNL. Believe me, we have parents contemplating moving from out of state for the new DA we added. I find it crazy to even think about that just for soccer. SoCal should have more talented players just based on population alone, compare 25M in SoCal to 4.5 in Metro PHX and you should produce more statistically speaking. I am a firm believer in if they are good enough they will be found whether it be DA,ECNL, or Club. But, you need a Coach who works for your kid, and you need that at all levels. I myself prefer ECNL, as DA has to many restrictions, It's to much and I don't have the next great national team player like most think they do. I have my kid and if she makes it to play in college that's great, but I'm not spending her college savings yet.
 
azsnowrider said:
From an AZ perspective. No way am I driving that distance to play DA when Vegas for example has ECNL. Believe me, we have parents contemplating moving from out of state for the new DA we added. I find it crazy to even think about that just for soccer. SoCal should have more talented players just based on population alone, compare 25M in SoCal to 4.5 in Metro PHX and you should produce more statistically speaking. I am a firm believer in if they are good enough they will be found whether it be DA,ECNL, or Club. But, you need a Coach who works for your kid, and you need that at all levels. I myself prefer ECNL, as DA has to many restrictions, It's to much and I don't have the next great national team player like most think they do. I have my kid and if she makes it to play in college that's great, but I'm not spending her college savings yet.
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I agree with everything you said except that great players will always be found. I have seen some talented players fall through the cracks or be found at the last minute due to playing on a team that didn't get any exposure. Coaches will find a player if a they play where they can be found. I am by no means advocating for one league or another. What I do advocate is finding a great coach who is committed to helping your player achieve her goals. Good luck to you and your player.
 
I think Vegas should be represented in DA. There are some competitive teams and talented players there.

I wouldn’t move or travel beyond an hour. But DA isn’t the end all be all. I do believe it has its advantages. I believe the quality of play is better. And I hear from my ecnl friends that the level of play is significantly weaker than last year.
 
I'm not sure I understand why we don't have consensus on the DA vs ECNL thing. It is clear that both leagues have caused dilution and there really isn't a one league is better than the other at this point. Obviously this may change come the Fall, but until then, each league has very strong teams and some very weak ones. Time will tell. As has been pointed out several times, coaches will find what they are looking for in both leagues, in terms of good to elite talent.
 
I'm speaking from an 03 perspective. I agree the landscape will change a lot come fall with the age group banding, but again... for right now, the dilution is significant in both leagues for this age group and 04s as well.
 
Justafan said:
Simple, 8 ECNL teams v. 13 DA teams, meaning the talent was even more concentrated last year. Don’t get me wrong DA is the top league for a good portion of the age groups and has the biggest chunk of the talent, but ECNL had more.
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Do you mean 11 ECNL teams from last year v. 13 DA teams this year? It was also 12 ECNL teams a few years back before LVPSA was dropped.
 
Justafan said:
Simple, 8 ECNL teams v. 13 DA teams, meaning the talent was even more concentrated last year. Don’t get me wrong DA is the top league for a good portion of the age groups and has the biggest chunk of the talent, but ECNL had more.[/QUOT

There were more ECNL teams because DA didn't exist for the girls last year, simple as that.
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Justafan said:
Simple, 8 ECNL teams v. 13 DA teams, meaning the talent was even more concentrated last year. Don’t get me wrong DA is the top league for a good portion of the age groups and has the biggest chunk of the talent, but ECNL had more.
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That doesn’t quite work. You had talented clubs like Beach and Legends - among others Galaxy LA/SD that weren’t ecnl but were top comp.

So the simple numbers game isn’t so simple. Quality clubs all over.

DA is better than ECNL from my perspective. The games are better and the talent is better. You can’t really say they are just promoted sides from ecnl. There are kids all over on these teams. The rosters are probably 33-50% different from last season if I had to guess.
 
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