SCDSL adding Discovery Division
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From a pure competition standpoint you are wrong. Two of our DPL Teams toughest competition came in CRL and national league. Teens toughest competition came in CRL and National League.
From an economic, time and travel I would agree with you.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
Don't understand your point. So what that two of YOUR teams toughest competitions came outside of DPL? I made no reference to your team. In fact I made no reference to the competition in DPL other than the league consists of the 2nd teams at some good clubs which is actually a factual statement.
Agree with everything you say here, you just sounded mean.
You know at first I got excited about the possibility of DPL also joining this "division." After all, its most of the same clubs. However, as you point out, there are 10 DPL teams and only 12 spots, so I don't think they will take the chance that some DPL teams would not make the 12 team cut. Oh well, wishful thinking.
No but your agreement consisted of the inference that DPL teams are better than those in SCDSL Champions or Flight 1 whatever you want to call it. You play the #2 teams at DA Clubs, that’s a fact but there are many Top Teams at Affiliate Clubs and smaller clubs that are better than most of those #2 Teams. Not knocking DPL Teams or the experience many have had so far.
So what is my point....That an Open League that aims to consolidating some of the talent and create an environment doesn’t sound all that bad. Including those DPL teams would only benefit them and the league if you consider the level of play from top to bottom.
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Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
You are reading my statement from your own bias. I did not infer DPL was better in my statement. As you agree I just stated a fact the DPL plays the 2nd teams at some good clubs. That doesn’t mean other good clubs don’t exist. It doesn’t mean that DPL is better. I think we can all agree Beach, Legends, LA Galaxy SD, Eagles, Pateadores, Real SoCal, ... are good clubs. So stop trying to sell your agenda. You sound like you have an inferiority complex bragging that their are MANY affiliated teams and smaller clubs with teams better than most of those teams and trying to read too much into what I wrote.
How does DPL teams benefit? There is only 12 spots and 9 SoCal DPL teams.
What bias would that be?
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
Its an elitist division. SCDSL basically saying league play as is isnt good by doing this or a way to make more money. Since SCDSL has no pro/rel how will they approve 12 or whatever teams? So what happens to a team that isnt performing well? What if other teams want in? Theyll add teams. More watering down will occur. You pluck good teams out and the clubs coming in will fill old spots with kids who shouldnt be playing flight 1. As you said, already many subpar teams playing. Will cause more issues than whatever issue they feel this solves. Already avenues for good play. Maybe showcases should be swapped out for mini-tournaments with teams slotted for better competition. Teams playing at high level can get enough competition with the loads of tournaments. This is just doing something for sake of doing it.
Not_that_Serious
GOLD
More dissection isnt the answer. Removing quality teams from what exists now dilutes the system. If I were all powerful Id merge all the leagues under one Cal South umbrella/league - getting kids in one giant playing pool. Then we could progress and develop kids better - and maybe kids could have fun as well.
INFAMEE
SILVER ELITE
MWN's kid plays for Arsenal SCDSL the shittiest club possible and most expensive. Makes perfect sense.
Aren’t we saying the same thing using different words?
Me: take the top teams in each league and put them in one division
You: merge all the leagues and put the top teams in the top division
Either way, the best non DA players end up playing vs. each other.
DA will always get more attention because most of the very few elite players are in DA.
I don't know of any that died but I do know of players that collapsed on the field from the heat and were taken by ambulance to the hospital.
Dos Equis
GOLD
That difference is simple -- the powers that be who control this league (club DOC's), will be able to assure that, no matter how poorly their teams perform, they are guaranteed entry every season. In CSL Premier, results matter. There are always poiltics, and Premier's bylaws state it is an "invitation" league, but invitations work on the basis of promotion/relegation around 96% of the time.
Regardless of the committees they form or their stated mission, SCDSL history has shown that politics and relationships are the driving factor for scheduling and "bracketing." There should not be an expectation that this league will be different.
Back in 2006, there existed a league for the best boys and girls in Socal to play against each other in the fall, and it was indeed called CSL Premier. The rest is history, and no amount of wishing is likely to unscramble the omelet of the present.
Almost right - it was difficult for new teams to break into CSL Premier unless they were bringing a dozen or more other teams from their club who were willing to play in CSL lower divisions all over the area, with no home games.
Is this a Pre-Academy Discovery League?
That and team continuity would cause teams to drop back down to bronze. The year my son played in CSL Bronze we had 3 teams that destroyed the bracket: 1 was a Silver team the previous year that was going to move to Gold, but lost too many players to keep continuity (although they retained all their stars), the other two teams were brand new to the league and legitimate Silver to Silver-Elite Teams (1 took the Presidents Cup championship ... skipped Governors altogether and a bronze team won Presidents). CSL's relegation/promotion model is/was broken when it comes to new teams or continuity. These flaws are one of the factors leading to the creation of the SCDSL.
One element that many do not appreciate is that there are competitive leagues trying really hard to break into the SoCal market, which up to this point has been controlled by two US Soccer affiliates (US Youth Soccer/Cal South and AYSO). The club scene is almost entirely dominated by Cal South, with the only legitimate incursion being US Club Soccer's ECNL, which recently expanded to boys.
We now have at least two leagues actively soliciting clubs that I know about:
- US Club Soccer's - National Premiere League (has a footprint for spring, but is trying to expand into fall).
- United Soccer League's (Div. II) - Super Y League (its youth league that operates on the east coast) and affiliated with the second level professional division.
This "discovery division" is that response and its features are a defensive maneuver to the leagues trying to breach the SoCal market, the ECNL (especially the new boys division - http://www.boysecnl.com/southwest-conference/) and the DPL, which is nothing more than a statement to the SoCal community that SCDSL top teams will now play in a new division called "discovery" that has some of these cool new features, so you clubs in the SDDA and CSL and those SCDSL teams thinking of jumping to US Club, bring your teams to SCDSL and come play in the Discovery Division (if you qualify).
Don't forget USL's Super-Y League --
http://www.sylsoccer.com/news_article/show/879512?referrer_id=2242489