My daughter played in Surf College Cup this weekend and saw similar anomalies (including from her own team). In her team's case the coach gave various bench players more playing time than typical in one game or another because it was a showcase tournament. If the same thing was happening in Silverlakes, that might explain the difference (and also make my earlier attempt to analyze the results somewhat pointless).
Girls DPL?
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Unfortunately, we didn't play an ECNL team. We played two DPL teams and one SCDSL Champions division team. There was no comparison, the SCDSL team was the best of the three and the only one that beat us. We dominated the Friday game against a DPL team near the top of the league standings. The interesting thing to me was that the DPL teams seemed to have better results on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday the team we played on Sunday tied the team we blew out on Friday, so I expected another fairly easy win. The Sunday game was a lot tougher even though we still won. Along with that the team that we dominated on Friday tied the SCDSL team that beat us. Almost made me wonder if the DPL teams were bringing in DA players for Saturday and Sunday even though I'm sure they aren't supposed to do that.[/QUOTE]
Well as a friend of mine would say sometimes its just not your day. Were all the players at your friday game? maybe the kids don't play well onfriday after traveling? Or maybe that they are kids and as it is in every single sport at every level some days you just get your ass handed to you. My DD team will beat a top team like surf 1-0 and then lose to a less talented team 5-0. It happens all the time. i wouldn't look to far into it than that.
Well as a friend of mine would say sometimes its just not your day. Were all the players at your friday game? maybe the kids don't play well onfriday after traveling? Or maybe that they are kids and as it is in every single sport at every level some days you just get your ass handed to you. My DD team will beat a top team like surf 1-0 and then lose to a less talented team 5-0. It happens all the time. i wouldn't look to far into it than that.
Well as a friend of mine would say sometimes its just not your day. Were all the players at your friday game? maybe the kids don't play well onfriday after traveling? Or maybe that they are kids and as it is in every single sport at every level some days you just get your ass handed to you. My DD team will beat a top team like surf 1-0 and then lose to a less talented team 5-0. It happens all the time. i wouldn't look to far into it than that.[/QUOTE]
I get it, but these are older girls and generally the older the kids get the more predictable the results. I have rarely seen swings as large as the ones we saw this weekend, but it's possible as SoCalPapa said that teams were giving subs more playing time. I don't put much stock in travel being an issue as we had to travel as far as just about any team in the tournament and Friday was our best day. Add to that the fact that our girls haven't played a competitive game outdoors since HS ended almost two months ago and I would've expected us to get better, not the local teams who've been playing consistently.
I get it, but these are older girls and generally the older the kids get the more predictable the results. I have rarely seen swings as large as the ones we saw this weekend, but it's possible as SoCalPapa said that teams were giving subs more playing time. I don't put much stock in travel being an issue as we had to travel as far as just about any team in the tournament and Friday was our best day. Add to that the fact that our girls haven't played a competitive game outdoors since HS ended almost two months ago and I would've expected us to get better, not the local teams who've been playing consistently.
"development over winning". Blah Blah Blah. Winning is developing too . You need to learn and know how to win. You cannot win all the time without being talented nobody is that lucky. So what if the other team is bigger and kicks the ball around if you have talent and desire then you win those balls. They will suck later and you will win the bigger prize. If you are losing because of that than it should motivate you to win more or else its just an excuse. When you get tired of losing then you will grow. Just like Ho' Solo cried about losing to Sweden because they played they way they did stop crying and get better.
I'll admit this idea is something of a mystery to me as well. I don't care what sport you're playing, athleticism can only take you so far. At some point you have to master the fundamentals of the sport if you want to play at a high level. You never hear the 'development over winning" mantra thrown around in any other youth sport as much as you do in soccer. If winning becomes a focus to the point that the game is no longer fun, to me that's a problem, but in my life it has always been more fun to win and play well.
Mystery Train
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Nobody answered this earlier, and I saw this as well. The DPL 'standings' show a ton of new teams just added, most from out of state, but notably Slammers HB EGSL, and Slammers ECNL, as well as WCFC ECNL. I know that Slammers HB team was in SCDSL Champions div this season, not sure if the two "ECNL" teams were the ECNL 2 (EGSL) teams or the regular ECNL teams. All of these new clubs look like clubs in the DA and ECNL. Maybe DPL is opening up the league to ECNL clubs too? Anyone connected to those teams care to confirm if this is for real? If so, DPL just got slightly more interesting.
http://primetimesportz.bonzidev.com/sam/standings/ss/schedule.php?v=3&divisionID=MTU4MTMx
Mystery Train
GOLD
Ah, thanks. Interesting...
DPL turned out to be what most realistic people thought. The idea of "mirroring" the DA program with a closed league, game films and guaranteed entry in showcase events was a good idea with poor execution. The schedule included 9 games with some teams having a 3+ week gap in games, we have received a total of 5 game films of 9 games (5 from our team). Some teams used professional services others had a camcorder on a stick(RSC). The quality of teams and style of play was about what we expected and the showcases were good. In 2018 So Cal club soccer would be better served to have these teams play in SCDSL flight 1.
LadiesMan217
GOLD
What was poorly executed? Was the late September gap really an issue? How closed is it really (CDA Slammers, Slammers, Surf, Blues, etc. can all have teams if they want)? How many films did the SCDSL teams make? How is SoCal better served with teams playing in a SCDSL Flight 1? Interested in your thoughts although I have no skin in the game (not being troll)...
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
We played the second place SCDSL Champions Division team to a draw and in my opinion we had better chances to win than them. I know most will not like hearing this but for 2001's DPL is more competitive that the Champions division. I think DPL is on the right track.
Lambchop
GOLD
It is easier to "look like a well oiled machines" when you play less skilled teams.
Wrong again, SCDSL v. DPL record was 1- win, 0-losses, and 4 ties. The FACTS don't back you up. You point to ONE game and claim a moral victory with a tie. And for the record, I am not saying one league is better than the other, in fact I think the top teams in DPL, SCDSL, and ECNL (in the younger age groups) are all pretty evenly matched. YOU are saying DPL is better than SCDSL. Looking at the DPL standings, it looks like you have one real good team at the top, two real bad teams at the bottom, and everyone else pretty even. Sounds like your typical league distribution to me. And just with most second teams, the stronger clubs have the stronger second teams. Don't forget your record against ECNL, which wasn't very good.
How dare you be rational and provide facts! Gotta love the spin.
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
You can quote all the stats you want. They don't tell the story. Did you watch any of those games? I did. I believe that DPL is as good as Champions if not more consistent. I make no reference to ECNL. Also remember that only three of the better SCDSL teams were in this bracket. Certainly not the weaker teams of Champions.
CRL results seem to suggest that SCDSL and CSL teams are competive against DPL teams. If DPL teams are a better fit for some players and families, fine. SCDSL and CSL clubs and teams still have plenty to offer other players and families.
Wrong again Simi, you're trying WAY too hard to distinguish DPL from the other leagues and its just not working. If you had just left out the "if not more consistent," you would have been fine with me, but you had to throw that line in there just to give DPL a slight edge.
Here are the facts:
South Slammers FC (7th place in champions) crushed Pats, the 7th place DPL team 5-2. They tied the 2nd place DPL team LA Premiere 1-1.
CDA Slammers FC HB Elite (2nd place Champions) tied 5th place DPL SC Del Sol 3-3 and tied 8th place Eagles 1-1.
Legends South (2nd place Europa West, arguably in SCDSL's 11-15 range, and I'm not counting the 2 last place teams in Champions) tied 9th place LA Galaxy Del Sol 1-1.
No I didn't watch, but I don't know what you were watching to make the call as "more consistent." Again, all I'm saying is that both these leagues are very evenly matched and for one to assume superiority over the other is flat out wrong. That's what I'm calling you out on. And my core argument is that there was no need to create this league.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Look at the way you consciously or subconsciously word your first sentence when you say "SCDSL and CSL teams are competitive against DPL teams," as if to assume that DPL teams are the standard, and that SCDSL and CSL teams have proven themselves enough to be up to that standard. Again, you guys are trying too hard too distinguish DPL as somehow better, even if slight, than the other leagues. That's just not going to fly here.
You are right in your critique about how I worded my response. I am not trying to distinguish DPL as better. I am just trying to gently encourage those that are to look at standings like this with an open mind.
http://2017crlleagueseason.sportsaf...mentguid=D388082C-745C-4D0B-B45D-8D225EAC7B94
Simisoccerfan
PREMIER
Justafan, I know don't like my opinion. I know you and many others are in the wishful thinking group thinking DPL should not exist. But that ship has sailed. I have seen a lot of club soccer with three kids playing for a decade now. I have seen most of the better 01 teams play through years. It is my opinion based on observations that DPL is at least as good as the top of flight 1 or gold and certainly not inferior to it. You can't just look at scores but you need to watch actual games. I know you don't agree. That's fine with me. But I can say playing DPL was the right decision for my dd.
DPL is a fine choice for players and parents to make. Each family knows what is best for them given what is available where they live. However, in my opinion, justafan is right that the creation of DPL has diminished club soccer in Southern California. Our team misses playing the “DPL” teams that it used to play when they were in SoCal leagues. I do not see the benefit to DPL teams to playing in a closed circuit. What it looks like me when I look at the league standings is that all the teams at the top of each league (CSL, DPL and SCDSL) are in want of stronger local competition.
I have no doubt that your family has made the right decision for your player, but that does not mean that the people that run DA/DPL have done the same. Please respect that there are players, families, teams and clubs that seem to play soccer at the highest level without validation from US Soccer.
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