Mid-season Eagles DPL contract

If parents and players are not willing or able to drive far in bad traffic then there aren't any options for top players at Eagles. Real and LA Premier are the only DA teams around and now no ECNL options either.

It isn't just Eagles, lots/many/most? clubs bully, threaten and intimidate players and families to manipulate, control and collect high fees from parents. There is no concept of what is best for the players but how can I line my pockets on the hopes and dreams of children. If you are a top elite player you have some power. If you are a bubble player or average most parents are afraid to rock the boat. Also, many parents complain and don't take action that is why clubs and coaches can continue to act like they do.
 
Jack Doe said:
Lol, neither. Maybe I just don't like seeing you trolls always piling on. It's people like you that makes this forum suck with your personal attacks.

I have neither scared or intimidated any parent. All I did was state a very serious concern about missing significant playing time during a critical time period. That is a serious issue to consider. ...
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A club threatening playing time if you don't sign a contract that has been sprung on them is the issue. This is bad business. This is bad for the kids. This is bad press for the club. This is the closest that we have to Yelp (that I know of), so when a club does something as heartless as this, yeah it is going to get posted here.

The big issue here is the threat of playing time. The club is bullying their paying customers and threatening the customer's kids. That is NOT good business. I don't know the club, aside from this. I have nothing personally vested in this, but you can bet that I will l remember it. A lot of people will remember this and discuss this.
 
SocalPapa said:
Totally agree. My daughter has played some terrific teams from Camarillo over the years. I hope everything works out for them.
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Just a suggestion....
I have had 3 children play club soccer for over 20 years......various clubs at various levels. My kids range from an above average to superstar.
I quickly learned to initial the sections I disagreed with and write DECLINE. Not one club has had a problem with me doing that.
 
A Board said:
Just a suggestion....
I have had 3 children play club soccer for over 20 years......various clubs at various levels. My kids range from an above average to superstar.
I quickly learned to initial the sections I disagreed with and write DECLINE. Not one club has had a problem with me doing that.
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Your teams manager must have
A Board said:
Just a suggestion....
I have had 3 children play club soccer for over 20 years......various clubs at various levels. My kids range from an above average to superstar.
I quickly learned to initial the sections I disagreed with and write DECLINE. Not one club has had a problem with me doing that.
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A club who won't discuss a contract with a group of parents won't except your method.
 
Chalklines said:
Your teams manager must have

A club who won't discuss a contract with a group of parents won't except your method.
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The team manger never had a problem with my Declining certain sections. However, I did not decline payment.
Never knew if the manager just did not bring it to The clubs attention or those questionable clauses where essentially unenforceable so they just let it slide.
Again, it was never an issue. Always had a good relationship with team manager.
 
A Board said:
Just a suggestion....
I have had 3 children play club soccer for over 20 years......various clubs at various levels. My kids range from an above average to superstar.
I quickly learned to initial the sections I disagreed with and write DECLINE. Not one club has had a problem with me doing that.
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Okay, let's walk this dog down the road a bit. I don't think anyone would argue that this contract is legally enforceable. Heck, it's two pages, and you only sign the second page, so how does anyone in the future know what you did on the first page? Unless you initial by the paragraphs and sign each page (like a lease, for example) you can't LEGALLY be held to what's on the contract, other than the last page you sign.
But if the club is going to suspend players for not agreeing to the contract, then what's to prevent them from suspending your player later if you don't comply with what was in the original, unaltered contract (the stuff you declined)? You can say "But I declined!" And they can say, "Well, it doesn't matter. Agree to it now or your player is suspended." They've already proven they won't stick with a contract. And it doesn't matter what you agree with, and what you decline. This suggestion would seem to work fine with reasonable clubs. But a reasonable club doesn't put a new contract out in the middle of the season and try to coerce parents into signing. So this isn't about legality. This is about the attitude of the club toward its parents and players.
Bottom line, this is the club saying "You must follow all of our policies, no matter what they are or when we change them, or whether you agree to them or not."
 
Chalklines said:
Can anyone directly involved verify who wrote the contract?
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if you look at the Document Properties, it says it was drafted by Mark Sampson, on 10/19/17. The only Mark Sampson I can think of was the English WNT coach who was fired in September for having been suspected of inappropriate relationships with players, racist and sexist remarks. Makes some sense given the VT accusations...
 
here is the issue - basically none of these contracts from the youth soccer clubs are enforceable. There are usually so many issues from a legal standpoint that none of them would stand up in court. The problem is the clubs manipulate and intimidate parents to comply with all sorts of demands and the parents and players all fall into line and pay thousands of dollars for the experience while that is going on. Parents don't join together as a group and often parents are either apathetic, afraid, or not savy or brave enough to take steps against these situations. If you individually speak up you are classified as a trouble maker and many negative things can happen (subtle and not so subtle punishments toward your DD)- even to top players because of coach and club egos, power trips, and retaliation. Unfortunately, I doubt anything will be done about this situation other than business as usual, even if things are illegal, abusive, inappropriate, or just bullying.
 
Chalklines said:
Can anyone directly involved verify who wrote the contract?[/
Sons of Pitches said:
if you look at the Document Properties, it says it was drafted by Mark Sampson, on 10/19/17. The only Mark Sampson I can think of was the English WNT coach who was fired in September for having been suspected of inappropriate relationships with players, racist and sexist remarks. Makes some sense given the VT accusations...
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Upon further review, Mark Sampson, is most likely Mark Stephen Sampson, or as most of us know him Steve Sampson, former USMNT Coach, LA Galaxy Coach, current Cal Poly Men's Soccer Coach and Eagles Soccer Club, Technical Director and Executive Director, Central Coast and consultant for Camarillo based teams.
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smellycleats said:
Can we be positive he wrote it? This “contract” reads like every other punitive and abrasive email or communication I have ever received from Kathleen Kelly/Buddy Kelly.
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It could've been written by some combination of Buddy and Steve Sampson then signed off on by Steve who is salaried at around $140K per year from Eagles parents dues.
 
That ethics training certificate probably took years to achieve.


Looking at it now...


I stand corrected. I says two hours.
 
ATRTDT said:
Again ill circle back to the Eagles having a Monopoly on PV Fields to respond here.

Ventura County area is a thriving area for soccer. They need more club options for a higher level of competition other then Eagles. These smaller clubs around the area can never grow due to the crummy facilities some teams are forced to practice on.

Bob "Buddy" Kelley and his position as a board member for the park and req district has made it his #1 directive to keep other Club Teams off PV fields to protect the growth of the Eagles and PAD his wife's salary.

This in so many ways has forced players and parents to stay with the Eagles even if they are unhappy because your only other option is lower tier play or lots of time stuck on the 101 Freeway.

Again we are dealing with a 55 acre park with 23 acres of turf and your telling me not even two club teams can practice on the same field together?
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I say again, band together, request for the item to be put on the city council agenda and present your case. Make sure the residents argue that there exists a conflict of interest forcing one or the other to step aside. Follow up your positions with letting the council know you will vote in the next election and actually do it. Don't expect a government worker to just do the right thing on their own as that would go against the very belief system and fabric of someone seeks out a position of power like that to begin with.
 
Chalklines said:
No... Couldn't possibly be Buddy since he has an Ethics training certificate to his name...

What a crock.

Did anyone else notice that on the PV web site

http://www.pvrpd.org/administration/directors/kelley.asp
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All that is fine and dandy but is there a potential issue here with enforceable actions?? The ethics certificate is related to the required ethics training that all public officials must complete on a regular basis (AB1234) .

On the Fair Political Practices Commission website that is in charge of administration of the Political Reform Act (http://www.fppc.ca.gov/) these are the enforceable actions:


"Enforceable Violations of the Act
The following is a list of violations that the FPPC regularly enforces:

  • Financial conflicts of interest
  • Laundered campaign contributions
  • Over-the-limit gifts and contributions
  • Improper use of campaign funds, including personal use
  • Campaign mass mailings at public expense
  • False, inadequate, or inaccurate reporting on statements of economic interests, campaign statements and reports
  • Non-filing or late filing of such statements and reports
  • Anonymous or cash contributions of $100 or more"
He is required to remove himself from any discussiona or voting on matters that have a conflict of interest. I would guess that any voting activities about the Eagles use of the fields or the negotiated fees would fall under that. Did he remove himself from those discussions as a District Board Member?
 
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