Girls DPL?

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Perhaps the hidden rosters/closed circuit is the only way DPL clubs can keep up their pretense that DPL is on par with ECNL.
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I know the conversation started with DPL v. ECNL, but subconsciously the propaganda is already working. After this post everybody here is talking about which one of those 2 leagues is superior, as if it is now assumed that both of those are superior to SCDSL Flight 1 or CSL Gold.

Well I don't know much about the teams at the younger ages your referring to but I suggest you focus less on who is better than who. You are mostly talking about middle school age girls. By the time puberty is over and they reach their Sophomore year a lot of them will no longer even be playing soccer. Some girls will stop progressing and others will suddenly get a lot better. Teams will fall apart and maybe even leagues too. Cars, jobs, boys, and parental pressure will drive a lot of girls out of soccer. Plus no coaches are looking at your ages yet unless you are in Texas or a national team player. So focus on keeping the game fun for your daughter and make sure she is getting better.

At the older ages it's a different story. ECNL has clearly been far superior to SCDSL or CSL. I suspect this is still the case. DA is new but is set up to be at least equal if not better. You are kidding yourself if you think any other league can even come close to those two leagues. Certainly DPL at the older ages is at least on par with the top tiers of CSL or SCDSL. Every 02/01/00 DPL team would have been either top flight or premier if DPL was not formed. That is where these teams came from. Maybe it's different at the younger ages. There are still great teams in SCDSL and CSL, just less of them.
 
Simisoccerfan said:
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Perhaps the hidden rosters/closed circuit is the only way DPL clubs can keep up their pretense that DPL is on par with ECNL.
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I know the conversation started with DPL v. ECNL, but subconsciously the propaganda is already working. After this post everybody here is talking about which one of those 2 leagues is superior, as if it is now assumed that both of those are superior to SCDSL Flight 1 or CSL Gold.

Well I don't know much about the teams at the younger ages your referring to but I suggest you focus less on who is better than who. You are mostly talking about middle school age girls. By the time puberty is over and they reach their Sophomore year a lot of them will no longer even be playing soccer. Some girls will stop progressing and others will suddenly get a lot better. Teams will fall apart and maybe even leagues too. Cars, jobs, boys, and parental pressure will drive a lot of girls out of soccer. Plus no coaches are looking at your ages yet unless you are in Texas or a national team player. So focus on keeping the game fun for your daughter and make sure she is getting better.

At the older ages it's a different story. ECNL has clearly been far superior to SCDSL or CSL. I suspect this is still the case. DA is new but is set up to be at least equal if not better. You are kidding yourself if you think any other league can even come close to those two leagues. Certainly DPL at the older ages is at least on par with the top tiers of CSL or SCDSL. Every 02/01/00 DPL team would have been either top flight or premier if DPL was not formed. That is where these teams came from. Maybe it's different at the younger ages. There are still great teams in SCDSL and CSL, just less of them.[/QUOTE]

Although by the time many of our kids are sophomores, US soccer will have changed things up again somehow. It's year by year (month by month maybe) right now, waiting to see what new leagues or rules will be announced to throw yet another wrench into parents and players plans. It's getting harder to just stay focused on your player and their development.
 
IS THE DPL EXPANDING??? Inquiring minds want to know..

The DPL website is showing new teams added in each age group or is this for tournaments? See the attached screen shot.
 

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Well, after two days at Silverlakes here are the numbers of ECNL vs DPL - They seem pretty evenly matched from the results that are posted

There were 5 ECNL clubs: Sereno, Slammers, West Coast, San Juan, Solar
6 DPL clubs: Beach, Legends, Real So Cal, LA Premier, Eagles, Pateadores

18 match ups between ECNL vs DPL (across all of the 5 ages groups)

There were 6 ECNL wins: Sereno, Slammers, West Coast, Solar
5 DPL wins: Legends, Beach
7 ties: 5 DPL clubs (Real So Cal, Beach, Eagles, Pateadores, LA Premier)-3 ECNL clubs (West Coast, Sereno, Slammers,)

Here are the scores for each game:
99/00
Slammers ECNL U18/19 1:2 Legends 99/00 DPL
Beach DPL 99 0:1 Slammers ECNL U18/19 Composite
Legends 99/00 DPL 2:3 Solar ECNL U18/19
Sereno ECNL U18/19 0:3 Beach DPL 99

2001
Sereno ECNL U17 4:0 Beach 01 DPL
Legends 01 DPL 0:3 Slammers ECNL U17
West Coast ECNL U17 1:1 Real So Cal 01 DPL
San Juan ECNL U17 1:3 Legend 01 DPL
Beach 01 DPL 3:3 West Coast ECNL U17
Real So Cal 01 DPL 1:2 Sereno ECNL U17

2002
Sereno ECNL U16 1:1 Beach 02 DPL
Slammers ECNL U16 1:1 Real So Cal 02 DPL
LA Premier 02 DPL 1:5 West Coast ECNL U16

2003
Eagles 03 DPL 0:0 Sereno ECNL U15
West Coast ECNL U15 1:1 Pateadores 03 DPL
Legends 03 DPL 1:0 Slammers ECNL U15
LA Premier 03 DPL 1:1 West Coast ECNL U15

2004
West Coast ECNL U14 0:1 Legends 04 DPL
 
I have seen several ecnl and dpl teams play. It is fairly even. But most clubs aren’t in both DA and ecnl, so you’re talking some 1st teams against 2 teams.

I’ve also seen SCDSL. It’s definitely a few shades lower.
 
Soccer43 said:
Well, after two days at Silverlakes here are the numbers of ECNL vs DPL - They seem pretty evenly matched from the results that are posted
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If you take a closer look, while DPL didn't do poorly, it is a stretch to say the scores show the leagues to be "evenly matched."

Ignoring 99/00, which includes composite teams and other anomalies (and correcting the Slammers/Legends U15 score), DPL has only a single win against an ECNL team so far. Legends, the top DPL U17 team with a +25 goal differential beat San Juan, a weaker ECNL team from Northern California. Notably, when that same Legends team played a decent ECNL team from SoCal (Slammers), they lost 3-0.

DPL's overall record vs ECNL so far in U15, U16 and U17 is 1-5-7. The 7 ties is not bad (and better than I expected), but again, if you take a closer look, you can see the ties were mostly the better DPL teams playing the weaker ECNL teams. I added the current ranking and goal differential for all the teams so you can see the relative level of the teams.

2001
Sereno ECNL U17 (7th, -5) 4:0 Beach 01 DPL (4th, +11)
Legends 01 DPL (1st, +25) 0:3 Slammers ECNL U17 (3rd, +6)
West Coast ECNL U17 (6th, -6) 1:1 Real So Cal 01 DPL (3rd, +10)
San Juan ECNL U17 (4th of 6, Bay Area ECNL, -3) 1:3 Legends 01 DPL (1st, +25)
Beach 01 DPL (4th, +11) 3:3 West Coast ECNL U17 (6th, -6)
Real So Cal 01 DPL (3rd, +10) 1:2 Sereno ECNL U17 (7th, -5)

2002
Sereno ECNL U16 (7th, -14) 1:1 Beach 02 DPL (5th, +1)
Slammers ECNL U16 (3rd, +1) 1:1 Real So Cal 02 DPL (2nd, +19)
LA Premier 02 DPL (9, -21) 1:5 West Coast ECNL U16 (6th, -11)

2003
Eagles 03 DPL (2nd, +5) 0:0 Sereno ECNL U15 (9th, -26)
West Coast ECNL U15 (6th, -10) 1:1 Pateadores 03 DPL (7th, +2)
Legends 03 DPL (6th, +5) 0:1 Slammers ECNL U15 (3rd, +11)
LA Premier 03 DPL (4, +0) 1:1 West Coast ECNL U15 (7th, -10)
 
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Josep said:
I’ve also seen SCDSL. It’s definitely a few shades lower.
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04's SCDSL/CSL v. DPL (SoCal) - 6 wins, 1 loss, 2 ties. No games against ECNL teams.

03's SCDSL/CSL v. DPL (SoCal) - 5 wins, 4 losses, 2 ties. 1 win, 2 losses v. ECNL teams.

I'm sure your probably speaking to the older age groups, but just shedding some light on the younger age groups.
 
I’m not a great defender of DPL. I’ve seen DPL teams play. But the truth is, they are B teams. It’s not out of the ordinary to lose as a B team to another club’s A team, whether they are ecnl or DA or not.

When you look at where most of the talented teams are, it lines up on DA and ecnl.

And there are some fourth teams out there at some clubs that play SCDSL that will beat other clubs A teams. Slammers comes to mind.
 
SocalPapa said:
If you take a closer look, while DPL didn't do poorly, it is a stretch to say the scores show the leagues to be "evenly matched."

Ignoring 99/00, which includes composite teams and other anomalies (and correcting the Slammers/Legends U15 score), DPL has only a single win against an ECNL team so far. Legends, the top DPL U17 team with a +25 goal differential beat San Juan, a weaker ECNL team from Northern California. Notably, when that same Legends team played a decent ECNL team from SoCal (Slammers), they lost 3-0.
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This is an interesting discussion from the perspective of someone coming from out of state for SilverLakes. To be fair in regards to your statement above, Slammers only beat the same San Juan team 1-0 where Legends beat them 3-1. Sometimes it's a horses for courses situation.

Unfortunately, we didn't play an ECNL team. We played two DPL teams and one SCDSL Champions division team. There was no comparison, the SCDSL team was the best of the three and the only one that beat us. We dominated the Friday game against a DPL team near the top of the league standings. The interesting thing to me was that the DPL teams seemed to have better results on Saturday and Sunday. On Saturday the team we played on Sunday tied the team we blew out on Friday, so I expected another fairly easy win. The Sunday game was a lot tougher even though we still won. Along with that the team that we dominated on Friday tied the SCDSL team that beat us. Almost made me wonder if the DPL teams were bringing in DA players for Saturday and Sunday even though I'm sure they aren't supposed to do that.
 
Kicker4Life said:
That’s where your head goes?
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Well no, not normally, but when the combined goal differential of games featuring DPL vs. non-DPL teams (in our bracket) goes from -11 on Friday to +5 on Saturday and 0 on Sunday I struggle to come up with a logical explanation for something that seems very unlikely in my experience of many years of closely analyzing a lot of youth soccer scores. I'd love to hear alternative theories.
 
Soccer43 said:
With everyday of soccer the same teams can have good games and bad games. It doesn't always have to be something nefarious
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And let’s not forget that Holiday that was the day before Friday! I personally know 3 kids who travelled 7+ hours on Friday to make it to their games and several that missed Friday but were there Sat and Sun (again due to travel).

Factor in that is is a College Showcase so Coaches get the rosters of the games they want to watch and there is no Trophy, so what is there to gain? It is simply not worth the risk.
 
Our daughter played at Silverlakes vs a DSL team, the same DPL team in league, and a ECNL team and did well on the scorelines for all three games. Overall for her she felt it was more like scrimmages than a tournament and missed some for the competitveness of playoffs after you win the bracket or all three games.

These different leagues are really marketing gimmicks and getting parents to compare "results" and who is Superior or not based on game scores is part of con that keeps the $ rolling in. If your on a team that's near the top or bottom of the standings there a illusion of perception sometimes that team results are directly related to individual Player Development and that is not case trust me on this one.

Everyone has a theory about the best way to develop players but it's clear to me many players need more help in improving technical skills, we need to teach them earlier, have specific specialized technical training and try to improve individual players better,. In the usa we focus too much on teams or on too few "star" or "stud" players and overall we just seem to be chasing the next "elite" league like sheep's or something?

All these rankings and who's better is silly, there are at least 10 other factors to consider that are not really quantifiable such as tactics the coach use, the focus on winning over the development, some injuries on the team, the formation they played with and so forth.

Winning games has been the purpose of youth soccer in the usa for too long and we need to change to players first before team and start collaborating instead of dividing or creating more leagues.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Factor in that is is a College Showcase so Coaches get the rosters of the games they want to watch and there is no Trophy, so what is there to gain? It is simply not worth the risk.
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This thread would be evidence that in the eyes of the clubs sponsoring the DPL there may be something to gain in terms of reputation. If the DPL is trying to establish itself as on par with ECNL, they probably would've been a bit discouraged by the results on Friday. Even if it wasn't DA players, could've been players from other teams in the club, I don't know. As I said in my original comment, I was just considering possible options to explain some very unexpected results. I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
 
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