Opinions on todays transgender players?

Sheriff Joe said:
I wonder if this person had been allowed to play girls soccer, would he have turned out different?
Confused? I would have to give that a yes.
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what sport/league should this "normal" person have been allowed to play to turn out different?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...rump_2005_tape_i_grab_women_by_the_pussy.html
 
TheIronCurtain said:
How simple do you think it is for one to transition? Surgery cant be done until a panel of doctors agree, and there are many steps in between. But, lets assume one could find enough quacks to fake the required bar... how much for you to transition? If ppl would do this for $, so would you. Whats your number? I'll hapilly start a kickstarter campaign to help you out, since you seem to think this as some sort adventure worth undertaking for the right price...
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No surgery is required for the transition. Hormone Replacement Therapy is sufficient.

I can't play soccer and money doesn't mean that much to me.

Considering some of the stories that we hear about the ethics of certain parents and coaches, with the hypothetical salaries in the millions, and what many athletes have already done throughout history to win or make gobs of money, you don't think it might happen? I'll end this part of the discussion.

Funny when I made my original comment I wondered why people can't discuss things in a friendly manner, even when we disagree. Didn't quite happen.

I've learned some things about Transgenders and Hermaphrodites during this discussion, and the difficulties they face, which is a good thing(not the difficulties but me learning). Making rules that are fair to everyone is a difficult thing and I don't envy the people that need to make these decisions.
 
Fact said:
It was initially how she looks but soon became about the fact that her testosterone level is 3 times that of an average female which is a legitimate concern since some groups have suggested that gender be based on a sliding scale as oppose to female or male.

And she has spoken about the subject during the Rio Olympics NBC? did a great interview with her about her journey.
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And if you look closely you will find men whose testosterone level is only 1/3 that of the average male.

It is generally accepted that men with higher natural levels of testosterone and similar hormones excel in some sports, and have an advantage in others. Grow up and live with it.
 
socalkdg said:
No surgery is required for the transition. Hormone Replacement Therapy is sufficient.

I can't play soccer and money doesn't mean that much to me.

Considering some of the stories that we hear about the ethics of certain parents and coaches, with the hypothetical salaries in the millions, and what many athletes have already done throughout history to win or make gobs of money, you don't think it might happen? I'll end this part of the discussion.

Funny when I made my original comment I wondered why people can't discuss things in a friendly manner, even when we disagree. Didn't quite happen.

I've learned some things about Transgenders and Hermaphrodites during this discussion, and the difficulties they face, which is a good thing(not the difficulties but me learning). Making rules that are fair to everyone is a difficult thing and I don't envy the people that need to make these decisions.
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So maybe a better issue to try to tackle is lack of ethics of some parents / players instead of lumping an actual diagnosable condition into this... I don't disagree, there are plenty of dishonest people, but to suggest that rules be made, that are in their core designed to discriminate, are the way to combat dishonesty, is at the very least naïve. Keep in mind, these rules will have lasting affects on the kids directly and indirectly impacted by this, but are really not very likely to discourage dishonest behavior...
 
Multi Sport said:
I have two friends battling cancer that would gladly trade being gender confused with fighting for their lives...
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You may be misunderstanding my comment... this topic discusses a diagnosable condition with agreed upon method of treatment. The point of the post is not to take away from difficulties of those fighting cancer, but to illustrate a simple fact: medical conditions can be treated, so why are picking which we treat and which we don't...
 
espola said:
And if you look closely you will find men whose testosterone level is only 1/3 that of the average male.

It is generally accepted that men with higher natural levels of testosterone and similar hormones excel in some sports, and have an advantage in others. Grow up and live with it.
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Sorry I did not know that I was complaining about testosterone levels. My point is that this is a very complicated isssue as gender is not black and white as evidenced by a group wanting to have a sliding scale with a whole host of genders on a spectrum.
 
It is a fact that few parents/coaches over the years used older players by falsifying birth documents, etc so they can win a league, State Cup or whatever else.
It is a fact that Cal South allows girls to play on boys teams (not vise-versa).
So whats the problem to allow 1 transgender player to play on a girls team?
I fail to see how 1 player would make any difference on overall team performance.
It may at u-little games, but who cares?
Now if we talking about the whole team....then its a different issue.
 
Fact said:
Sorry I did not know that I was complaining about testosterone levels. My point is that this is a very complicated isssue as gender is not black and white as evidenced by a group wanting to have a sliding scale with a whole host of genders on a spectrum.
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Gender is not black and white. That's science and human nature. Why do you take issue with that?
 
TheIronCurtain said:
So maybe a better issue to try to tackle is lack of ethics of some parents / players instead of lumping an actual diagnosable condition into this... I don't disagree, there are plenty of dishonest people, but to suggest that rules be made, that are in their core designed to discriminate, are the way to combat dishonesty, is at the very least naïve. Keep in mind, these rules will have lasting affects on the kids directly and indirectly impacted by this, but are really not very likely to discourage dishonest behavior...
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I see your point and I wasn't trying to make light of transgenders but instead emphasize that people will look to cheat. We are actually agreeing on the rules. It isn't an easy thing to make these rules and as I mentioned I'm glad I don't have to make them.
 
Eagle33 said:
It is a fact that few parents/coaches over the years used older players by falsifying birth documents, etc so they can win a league, State Cup or whatever else.
It is a fact that Cal South allows girls to play on boys teams (not vise-versa).
So whats the problem to allow 1 transgender player to play on a girls team?
I fail to see how 1 player would make any difference on overall team performance.
It may at u-little games, but who cares?
Now if we talking about the whole team....then its a different issue.
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How do you decide who gets to choose?
Come one come all.
 
Multi Sport said:
Here you go. You are equating Cancer to being gender confused by posting the above. Dang dude..oops, maybe dang girl?

I guess were headed in this direction...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/california-transgender-woman-plays-college-basketball/
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Yes! In this context I see no difference if you want to deny everyone w a diagnosable condition access to sports.

But my original comment had little to do w this specific issue, and more to do w those advocating one play the hand they're dealt...
 
Multi Sport said:
Here you go. You are equating Cancer to being gender confused by posting the above. Dang dude..oops, maybe dang girl?

I guess were headed in this direction...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/california-transgender-woman-plays-college-basketball/
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Some here are using god conveniently for personal prejudices. Instead of using religion to excuse the more banal prejudices that people harbor, those who believe in a god should use their faith as a motivator to be kind and do good!
 
Zvezdas said:
Some here are using god conveniently for personal prejudices. Instead of using religion to excuse the more banal prejudices that people harbor, those who believe in a god should use their faith as a motivator to be kind and do good!
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These are the same people that would have balked at their child playing with African American children in the 50s, and gay children in the 90s. Let's hope that with our children's generation comes more enlightenment.
 
chargerfan said:
These are the same people that would have balked at their child playing with African American children in the 50s, and gay children in the 90s. Let's hope that with our children's generation comes more enlightenment.
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You have no idea who I am... to post something like this just goes to show your ignorance.
 
TheIronCurtain said:
Yes! In this context I see no difference if you want to deny everyone w a diagnosable condition access to sports.

But my original comment had little to do w this specific issue, and more to do w those advocating one play the hand they're dealt...
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You keep posting diagnosable condition as if that is supposed to mean something. It's not only ignorant to try and lump all, as you put it, diagnosable conditions together but I will guess that people with the "diagnosable " diseases of Cancer, Auto Immune Disease, Parkinsons the list goes on, would say that they are not even remotely the same as being gender confused.

I also doubt that people that are battling Cancer and other such "diagnosable diseases " are overly concerned if they can, or if their kid can, play on a soccer team...
 
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