Which u12 DA team in the Los Angeles region has the most talented players ?

For LAFC 06's there was no da bracket at Man City Cup offered past 04's and these are pre-season teams anyway prior to da registration in later Aug. LAFC is partners with Slammers on the girls side and supporting the Cerritos tournament helps that.

As far as TFA they have been a pleasure to watch when I had a chance, they play & execute the procession style very well.

They are late to the da party in a very crowded market with several established clubs Golden State, Galaxy, LAFC, LAUFA already in that terriority.

There are a bunch of criteria to get more teams in da such as player development history: placement on nat teams, pools, etc. Since they haven't had olders they don't have much to show there. Staffing & and a well known director's are another factor they seem to fail short on. If they can address these and some of the other 5 sections they would have a better shot at da expansion.
 
TFA should have absolutely been granted DA status for their 04's. Over the years, IMO, they've developed more quality players than any other club in LA. Their older teams have more difficulty because when the kids hit the academy age, the kids bail for the DA system. It's a unfortunate symptom of their development success.

IIRC, the '03 Galaxy DA team has a bunch of former TFA players that used to make up TFAs unstoppable team (02-03 team before the age shift).
 
TFA should have absolutely been granted DA status for their 04's. Over the years, IMO, they've developed more quality players than any other club in LA. Their older teams have more difficulty because when the kids hit the academy age, the kids bail for the DA system. It's a unfortunate symptom of their development success.

IIRC, the '03 Galaxy DA team has a bunch of former TFA players that used to make up TFAs unstoppable team (02-03 team before the age shift).
They won't get olders ever. The kids leave because the coaches all leave and thus it has always been. The coaches go and thrive elsewhere with older teams (witness Brian Kleiban at Chivas and now Galaxy). Unlike Real So Cal, Arsenal, Pats, GS and other non-MLS clubs, all of whom have developed excellent older teams over the years and hence earned across-the-board DA status, TFA has never done so.
 
They won't get olders ever. The kids leave because the coaches all leave and thus it has always been. The coaches go and thrive elsewhere with older teams (witness Brian Kleiban at Chivas and now Galaxy). Unlike Real So Cal, Arsenal, Pats, GS and other non-MLS clubs, all of whom have developed excellent older teams over the years and hence earned across-the-board DA status, TFA has never done so.

All this talk about how strong TFA is with youngers and always losing out when the kids get older, really makes me want to know what they are doing so well early on and why they can't keep up the success as the kids age...
 
IMO, TFA builds successful teams. Individual players ?? ... I'm not familiar enough with TFA to make a comment but I know a few of the older that played for TFA that are not the same players and have struggled to continue develop.
 
All this talk about how strong TFA is with youngers and always losing out when the kids get older, really makes me want to know what they are doing so well early on and why they can't keep up the success as the kids age...
The easy answer is to say that without DA at the older age groups, the kids leave TFA for DA clubs and therefore the kids who remain are, almost by definition, the weaker kids with fewer options. And there is a lot of truth in that. Just like there are a lot of regular clubs and great coaches out there who could get teams to superior heights if their kids didn't leave for other clubs perceived to be bigger names, better competition, etc. But there is more than just that at work.

First of all, TFA is not exactly a "home-grown" club. It assembles teams that include many great players from elsewhere and so the question of who really "developed" the player can come up even at these younger ages. TFA 06, one of its strongest teams, had kids from as far away as Santa Monica and Simi Valley in its starting lineup last year, and it has two kids from Santa Monica this year. Those kids were already accomplished players, recognized as the best or among the best on their teams, when they went to TFA. TFA 07 was a decent team last year, but nothing special. The success of the 06 group led a bunch of players from elsewhere to come out to the 07s.

Nevertheless, it's fair to say that these great players were attracted to TFA, at least in part, because of the coaching, the intense environment, and the constellation of strong players. Money, however, also plays a role. TFA offers fully funded top teams at the younger age groups (which they can do because of PW's fundraising, not because other teams in the club have wealthy parents). There aren't that many pre-DA teams that are fully-funded, so that helps attract great players who need the subsidy, which in turn helps attract great players from wealthier areas who don't need the subsidy, but recognize that there are a bunch of great players in one place at the club. So, even if TFA didn't do all that much to polish its diamonds, so-to-speak, just providing full funding at the younger age groups, while providing professional coaching, in a central location, and access to great tournaments, is going to give them a strategic advantage in recruiting and competing even if they didn't do anything else to develop the players.

So, what do they do special with their teams? In addition to the intangible benefits provided by recruiting great players and forcing them to compete hard for every minute of practice, TFA has a system. It's part of the curriculum it sells to convince clubs to affiliate (and thereby pay funds to allow them to subsidize their teams). It's primarily a tactical system for players that are already technically sound. One of the most difficult things for younger age group kids is problem solving. They freeze when faced with too many choices, they make the wrong decisions, etc. TFA coaches give kids something like four things they should do from every position depending upon the situation. Then they drill those things home until the kids get very good at them. It's pretty formulaic, although I don't want to overstate that. Lots of coaching at the younger ages is formulaic. TFA just teaches the formulas better. That, plus the fact that the kids are already very technically good, they have been conditioned well and hustle/compete etc, makes them very good compared to other younger teams.

What happens when the kids get older? Some of them build upon that initial foundation of tactical strategy and become very good. Others never develop the ability to adapt and think on their own, especially when faced with teams that shut down their options. It's made worse when they aren't with kids taught the same thing, though, since the options don't work if the your teammates aren't looking for them. That isn't really a knock on TFA, per se. Many, if not most, of the latter group of kids might never have had the ability to come up with the four tactical options if left to other coaching so it's not like they were really made worse for it. And those kids who can build upon that initial foundation may have greatly accelerated their development by getting there a lot faster. The bottom line, however, is other teams eventually catch up because (1) there are more fully-funded options or fewer teams and therefore less talent dispersion, and (2) because the advantage in tactical acumen is reduced as other kids get more mature and understand the game better.
 
The easy answer is to say that without DA at the older age groups, the kids leave TFA for DA clubs and therefore the kids who remain are, almost by definition, the weaker kids with fewer options. And there is a lot of truth in that. Just like there are a lot of regular clubs and great coaches out there who could get teams to superior heights if their kids didn't leave for other clubs perceived to be bigger names, better competition, etc. But there is more than just that at work.

First of all, TFA is not exactly a "home-grown" club. It assembles teams that include many great players from elsewhere and so the question of who really "developed" the player can come up even at these younger ages. TFA 06, one of its strongest teams, had kids from as far away as Santa Monica and Simi Valley in its starting lineup last year, and it has two kids from Santa Monica this year. Those kids were already accomplished players, recognized as the best or among the best on their teams, when they went to TFA. TFA 07 was a decent team last year, but nothing special. The success of the 06 group led a bunch of players from elsewhere to come out to the 07s.

Nevertheless, it's fair to say that these great players were attracted to TFA, at least in part, because of the coaching, the intense environment, and the constellation of strong players. Money, however, also plays a role. TFA offers fully funded top teams at the younger age groups (which they can do because of PW's fundraising, not because other teams in the club have wealthy parents). There aren't that many pre-DA teams that are fully-funded, so that helps attract great players who need the subsidy, which in turn helps attract great players from wealthier areas who don't need the subsidy, but recognize that there are a bunch of great players in one place at the club. So, even if TFA didn't do all that much to polish its diamonds, so-to-speak, just providing full funding at the younger age groups, while providing professional coaching, in a central location, and access to great tournaments, is going to give them a strategic advantage in recruiting and competing even if they didn't do anything else to develop the players.

So, what do they do special with their teams? In addition to the intangible benefits provided by recruiting great players and forcing them to compete hard for every minute of practice, TFA has a system. It's part of the curriculum it sells to convince clubs to affiliate (and thereby pay funds to allow them to subsidize their teams). It's primarily a tactical system for players that are already technically sound. One of the most difficult things for younger age group kids is problem solving. They freeze when faced with too many choices, they make the wrong decisions, etc. TFA coaches give kids something like four things they should do from every position depending upon the situation. Then they drill those things home until the kids get very good at them. It's pretty formulaic, although I don't want to overstate that. Lots of coaching at the younger ages is formulaic. TFA just teaches the formulas better. That, plus the fact that the kids are already very technically good, they have been conditioned well and hustle/compete etc, makes them very good compared to other younger teams.

What happens when the kids get older? Some of them build upon that initial foundation of tactical strategy and become very good. Others never develop the ability to adapt and think on their own, especially when faced with teams that shut down their options. It's made worse when they aren't with kids taught the same thing, though, since the options don't work if the your teammates aren't looking for them. That isn't really a knock on TFA, per se. Many, if not most, of the latter group of kids might never have had the ability to come up with the four tactical options if left to other coaching so it's not like they were really made worse for it. And those kids who can build upon that initial foundation may have greatly accelerated their development by getting there a lot faster. The bottom line, however, is other teams eventually catch up because (1) there are more fully-funded options or fewer teams and therefore less talent dispersion, and (2) because the advantage in tactical acumen is reduced as other kids get more mature and understand the game better.

Wow, that was a lot of info. to chew on, thanks.
 
They won't get olders ever. The kids leave because the coaches all leave and thus it has always been. The coaches go and thrive elsewhere with older teams (witness Brian Kleiban at Chivas and now Galaxy). Unlike Real So Cal, Arsenal, Pats, GS and other non-MLS clubs, all of whom have developed excellent older teams over the years and hence earned across-the-board DA status, TFA has never done so.
I think it's the other way around, they work so hard to build a good/great team and then have them dismantled with the lure of DA status. If the DA Status was already there then all the drama would have been avoided. How are those clubs like Arsenal, Pats and GS doing now? It's amazing how Arsenal can keep their DA status. LAFC certainly threw a huge wrench in the mix and their success will have a major impact on those other non-MLS DA clubs.
 
The easy answer is to say that without DA at the older age groups, the kids leave TFA for DA clubs and therefore the kids who remain are, almost by definition, the weaker kids with fewer options. And there is a lot of truth in that. Just like there are a lot of regular clubs and great coaches out there who could get teams to superior heights if their kids didn't leave for other clubs perceived to be bigger names, better competition, etc. But there is more than just that at work.

First of all, TFA is not exactly a "home-grown" club. It assembles teams that include many great players from elsewhere and so the question of who really "developed" the player can come up even at these younger ages. TFA 06, one of its strongest teams, had kids from as far away as Santa Monica and Simi Valley in its starting lineup last year, and it has two kids from Santa Monica this year. Those kids were already accomplished players, recognized as the best or among the best on their teams, when they went to TFA. TFA 07 was a decent team last year, but nothing special. The success of the 06 group led a bunch of players from elsewhere to come out to the 07s.

Nevertheless, it's fair to say that these great players were attracted to TFA, at least in part, because of the coaching, the intense environment, and the constellation of strong players. Money, however, also plays a role. TFA offers fully funded top teams at the younger age groups (which they can do because of PW's fundraising, not because other teams in the club have wealthy parents). There aren't that many pre-DA teams that are fully-funded, so that helps attract great players who need the subsidy, which in turn helps attract great players from wealthier areas who don't need the subsidy, but recognize that there are a bunch of great players in one place at the club. So, even if TFA didn't do all that much to polish its diamonds, so-to-speak, just providing full funding at the younger age groups, while providing professional coaching, in a central location, and access to great tournaments, is going to give them a strategic advantage in recruiting and competing even if they didn't do anything else to develop the players.

So, what do they do special with their teams? In addition to the intangible benefits provided by recruiting great players and forcing them to compete hard for every minute of practice, TFA has a system. It's part of the curriculum it sells to convince clubs to affiliate (and thereby pay funds to allow them to subsidize their teams). It's primarily a tactical system for players that are already technically sound. One of the most difficult things for younger age group kids is problem solving. They freeze when faced with too many choices, they make the wrong decisions, etc. TFA coaches give kids something like four things they should do from every position depending upon the situation. Then they drill those things home until the kids get very good at them. It's pretty formulaic, although I don't want to overstate that. Lots of coaching at the younger ages is formulaic. TFA just teaches the formulas better. That, plus the fact that the kids are already very technically good, they have been conditioned well and hustle/compete etc, makes them very good compared to other younger teams.

What happens when the kids get older? Some of them build upon that initial foundation of tactical strategy and become very good. Others never develop the ability to adapt and think on their own, especially when faced with teams that shut down their options. It's made worse when they aren't with kids taught the same thing, though, since the options don't work if the your teammates aren't looking for them. That isn't really a knock on TFA, per se. Many, if not most, of the latter group of kids might never have had the ability to come up with the four tactical options if left to other coaching so it's not like they were really made worse for it. And those kids who can build upon that initial foundation may have greatly accelerated their development by getting there a lot faster. The bottom line, however, is other teams eventually catch up because (1) there are more fully-funded options or fewer teams and therefore less talent dispersion, and (2) because the advantage in tactical acumen is reduced as other kids get more mature and understand the game better.
Shout out to Dargle, thanks for all your informative incite and thanks for having all your ducks in a row before you post. You already know where I stand and at every opportunity that presents itself, I'll stir the pot...lol Devil's Advocate stuff.
 
I think it's the other way around, they work so hard to build a good/great team and then have them dismantled with the lure of DA status. If the DA Status was already there then all the drama would have been avoided. How are those clubs like Arsenal, Pats and GS doing now? It's amazing how Arsenal can keep their DA status. LAFC certainly threw a huge wrench in the mix and their success will have a major impact on those other non-MLS DA clubs.
Nope. The other clubs like Real So Cal and GS are fine because they grew a club. TFA never has because it's a one-man show. Everybody who could help it grow leaves.
 
If the objective is to produce top shelf players it would require the dismantling of the play for play system they adhere too.

While I understand the problems with the system, how else would you connect players with professional coaching?
 
I saw how good the TFA06 boys were last year and maybe I missed it here but did any of them go to DAs?

Thanks Dargle for the info about TFA. I was wondering what makes TFA so successful and you gave a pretty good explanation.
 
I saw how good the TFA06 boys were last year and maybe I missed it here but did any of them go to DAs?

Thanks Dargle for the info about TFA. I was wondering what makes TFA so successful and you gave a pretty good explanation.
All of them are playing for TFA's DA squad, their single year DA was not taken away, they were not granted additional years. A couple of kids went elsewhere
 
in regards to the TFA comment, looks like the trend continues. The schedules for next year 2017-2018 USSDA are out....no TFA for ages 2005 and older. They are only listed at U12 (2006). Looks like their current 2004 team will dismantle again.
 
Any updates on this age group ? With no scores being posted tough to tell who is doing well, okay, struggling. Any feedback will be appreciated....
 
Not sure myself. Too busy running around to practice and games. We have done well. Split games with TFA. Second game they were way more intense. I love their main striker. His dad and I are friends and it's nice to see him doing well. Hopefully next game versus us not so well. .

Both our teams beat Legends last weekend and I don't think their parents believed the press clippings on us. Some of them really dug into their kids after the game for not trying and that simply wasn't the case.

I mention that because I remember being that way. Looking back I can see how it can really stunt a players growth. Glad we made the conscious decision to evaluate the game play differently and focus on personal responsibility and growth over just results.

Overall, it's nice to see talented kids put in the work everyday and for it to pay off. I only get to games now and seeing my kid improve leaps and bounds every game is really good for my nerves.

We play Pat's Irvine this weekend. I haven't seen anything on them or heard anything about them. Should be interesting.
 
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