USWNT Lose To Boys U-15

[JJP]

I think the women did great to score 2 goals. Around 7th grade/13 is the age when the boys get too much testosterone for the women to compete. By 8th grade/14 the boys are just too fast and strong.

I think the USWNT should continue to play top boys u15/u14 teams. The challenge of playing faster, stronger players who give them less time on the ball will force the women to develop tighter touches, quicker decision making.

This topic of comparing men and women athletes, and putting down the women because they can't compete with men, is stupid. I've watched the last 3 women's world cups and the overall level of play has definitely improved.

 

[Eusebio]

Personally I'd like to see Japan's WNT play the U-15 Boys. I'd be willing to bet $100 that it would be a very tight game.

It is indeed difficult in general for women to play against boys who have already hit puberty, essentially young men. That said, I think the other problem is that our USWNT for the last 25 years has dominated the competition primarily because of athleticism. That's their trump card. But when they play boys that trump card is completely nullified, so it's not surprising they struggle against older boys youth teams. They're not going to outrun them to the ball or win high crosses in the air.

But countries like Japan have clearly demonstrated that women can easily surpass the technical ability of our boys youth teams. On the men's side during Spain's 6 year domination of world soccer, they changed the game by showing how physically less-opposing but highly technical players could just completely lock-out the opposition with total ball domination regardless of the size and athleticism of the opponent. It doesn't matter how big or fast you are, if you're only getting 20-30% possession, there's only so much you can do.

If our USWNT embraces a more possession oriented style of play and recruit highly technical players to play in that style, I'm sure they would be more competitive against boy youth teams and more importantly they can stay competitive in the women's world scene, which is rapidly improving.

 

[El Clasico]

Personally I'd like to see Japan's WNT play the U-15 Boys. I'd be willing to bet $100 that it would be a very tight game.

It is indeed difficult in general for women to play against boys who have already hit puberty, essentially young men. That said, I think the other problem is that our USWNT for the last 25 years has dominated the competition primarily because of athleticism. That's their trump card. But when they play boys that trump card is completely nullified, so it's not surprising they struggle against older boys youth teams. They're not going to outrun them to the ball or win high crosses in the air.

But countries like Japan have clearly demonstrated that women can easily surpass the technical ability of our boys youth teams. On the men's side during Spain's 6 year domination of world soccer, they changed the game by showing how physically less-opposing but highly technical players could just completely lock-out the opposition with total ball domination regardless of the size and athleticism of the opponent. It doesn't matter how big or fast you are, if you're only getting 20-30% possession, there's only so much you can do.

If our USWNT embraces a more possession oriented style of play and recruit highly technical players to play in that style, I'm sure they would be more competitive against boy youth teams and more importantly they can stay competitive in the women's world scene, which is rapidly improving.

I think that you are absolutely correct. However, I don't see the US (women) moving to that "possession" style of play anytime soon. About the only place I truly see possession used is on this board. I certainly don't see it on the fields in any meaningful way. Irony is most of the possession chatter that gets scribed on these threads is nothing more than regurgitation from the coaches/clubs that tell them what they want to hear. Like politics and big business, change is hard and very slow. Sure, they can wheel out "new and improved" elixirs and baffle parents with better this and better that but there is only one thing the bigs are really good at and that is keeping the machine greased.

Aren't we approaching the 10 year anniversary for the boys DA? That means we have had more than one graduating class that has come up through the system completely. Where are those boys today? Our NT is loaded with guys approaching middle age with the exception of the young blood that has come up in foreign systems.

At a time when some parents on the boys side are souring on the DA system, they introduce it to the girls side. Easier prey maybe. Generally speaking, parents of girls want to hear the right things while parents of the boys want to see results. No wonder I see more and more of those agencies popping up that advocate and facilitate the process of having boys skip DA and train overseas. You will see that start happening on the girls side within the next five years. Bet on it.

 

[JJP]

Personally I'd like to see Japan's WNT play the U-15 Boys. I'd be willing to bet $100 that it would be a very tight game.

It is indeed difficult in general for women to play against boys who have already hit puberty, essentially young men. That said, I think the other problem is that our USWNT for the last 25 years has dominated the competition primarily because of athleticism. That's their trump card. But when they play boys that trump card is completely nullified, so it's not surprising they struggle against older boys youth teams. They're not going to outrun them to the ball or win high crosses in the air.

I'm pretty sure all the women NTs scrimmage vs. top u14/u15 boys teams. Maybe a poster who can do a search in Japanese could find the results for you.

I don't watch much women's soccer but I do watch women's World Cup and pay attention to the build up to the women's World Cup. About ten years ago I remember reading women's teams from all over the world had trouble scoring, let alone beating, even 7th grade boys teams. The big problem for the women was that they were used to shooting high soft shots over the GK, because most women GK at the time were short and could not jump, but those shots were easy saves for the boy GK, who was both taller and could jump higher.

The women's game has improved a lot since then. The GK are better, taller, jump higher and the women have better shots and can shoot a greater variety of shots. Nowadays I read reports of women NT scrimmaging 14 and 15 year olds so I'm guessing that is now the cutoff age for giving the women NT the challenge they need.

But countries like Japan have clearly demonstrated that women can easily surpass the technical ability of our boys youth teams. On the men's side during Spain's 6 year domination of world soccer, they changed the game by showing how physically less-opposing but highly technical players could just completely lock-out the opposition with total ball domination regardless of the size and athleticism of the opponent. It doesn't matter how big or fast you are, if you're only getting 20-30% possession, there's only so much you can do.

If our USWNT embraces a more possession oriented style of play and recruit highly technical players to play in that style, I'm sure they would be more competitive against boy youth teams and more importantly they can stay competitive in the women's world scene, which is rapidly improving.

Japan has fully embraced Coerver training and they are producing a bumper crop of highly technical players, both men and women. If you look up "Japan" and "coerver" on YouTube it is amazing watching their youth drills. I've tried to get my son to do more Coerver touches on his own, telling him you aren't playing 4 hrs. a day in a Brazilian favela, get your touches more efficiently with Coerver. He will only do so much and coaches have told me kids will not do a lot of Coerver drilling.

I think it's easy to go around blaming the coaches, a pay to play system, emphasis on winning, blaming kickball because it's easy to coach and win with at younger age groups, emphasis on size and speed because it's an easy way to win. But I also blame the kids. They can cut half hour of PlayStation time and go to the park and do Coerver drills, or cones, or wall ball or shoot at a net. Even 15 min. a day in the driveway doing Coerver touches would help a lot. But very, very few kids do it.