Bruddah IZ
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Iʻll take a dirt coated car over a $3500 surf player fee to finance paving and a restroom.
Surf Cup move
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I said Surf's win is a win for youth soccer. You read it as "San Diego local soccer".
If the Polo Fields goes away as a youth soccer complex then already stressed local fields will be stressed even more.
Surf Cup is the premier college scouting event in the nation. That is a win for youth soccer.
And maybe it was the margaritas, but didn't I see 18 fields full all weekend last November of all San Diego kids?
The back field is a little small for polo -- but the Polo Club won't be controlling the lease any more, so maybe they will just have to accept it -- until a horse or rider is injured by running off the field.
"Surf Cup is the premier college scouting event in the nation" ??? You need to get out more.
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Sped
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And eventually Oceanside will be developed over too.
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Sped
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Several of the news stories on their proposal mentioned it.
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Sped
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It's privately owned and there has been a proposal to build a senior living project there more than once but it'll need to go to a vote because it's ag land and that sort of use is not permitted. If you think the lease to surf was a problem, wait until residents get a chance to vote that thing down. It'll remain parking or become open space before it's ever built.
The county records for the fields shows they pay no tax as the property is owned by the City Of San Diego and appear to be exempt.
Bruddah IZ
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They meaning Surf? I was asking about the parking lot property owner property taxes.
No. You specifically said this in your post:
"Surf's win at the polo fields is a win for everyone in youth soccer."
So I assumed "everyone" would include San Diego local soccer. However I guess if you meant it as "everyone but..." then I'm fine with going with your amended version.
Though if the Polo Fields did go away, then Surf Cup Sports would simply move the tournament entirely to the SoCal complex. They may have to scale back some of the new flight 2 divisions, but Surf Cup did just fine at a single location at the Polo Fields for 25+ years, so I'm sure they could manage with the tournament in Oceanside.
Also SoCal complex has public transportation that goes within a block of the fields and the facilities has greater support from the local residents. If anything the Oceanside residents want the fields/facilities built out more, so it closer matches the original plans. For out of town visitors, Oceanside is actually a better location. You can get to food and hotel fairly easily while avoiding most of the 5 freeway traffic and you're still very close to the beach. They just need to improve the traffic situation going into the complex, but that's an issue that plagues every major venue. The way games get scheduled also affect the traffic congestion. Scheduling 20 simultaneous 8am games of course will cause a traffic pile up at the entrance.
My point, even without the Polo Fields, Surf Cup Sports still has a very good venue available to hold tournaments and it wouldn't really stress local fields since the SoCal complex has enough fields to host full tournaments. It would be Surf Soccer club that would probably take the biggest hit if the fields were moved north.
It's very hot outside so I don't begrudge you for drinking the Kool-Aid. I just disagree with your utopian outlook for Youth Soccer if Surf gets the Polo fields and conversely your dystopian view if they lose the fields. The truth is probably closer to somewhere in the middle of the extremes.
The lot is inside San Diego City limits, but just barely. The city line wanders back and forth along and off Via de la Valle. Right by the parking lot, the line jogs north for a few yards along Camino Real, then back south so that the nearest 3 or 4 houses to the east are in the unincorporated County, and then back north so that the gated community on the bluff is in the City. The only vote against the lease was the Councilwoman who represents that district (which also includes Carmel Valley, Torrey Pines, University City, and La Jolla).
Were you on vacation when 18 fields of kids were playing at the Presidio tournament on the Polo Fields last year?
Incorrect.
Bruddah IZ
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Sherri Lightner
Bruddah IZ
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Thanks to a $500 increase in Surf player fees, Presidio was able to have their tournament at the Polo's. Thank you Surf families for subsidizing San Diego Youth Soccer through your dollars and volunteerism.
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Sped
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You may have misunderstood what I meant by a vote. This article gives a good summary: http://www.delmartimes.net/news/2014/nov/13/carmel-valley-senior-living-facility-polo-fields/
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Looks like what I heard back in March about the is turning out to be true. I heard at the time that they would like to pave the parking lot, but did not have that part of the lease. So, it was going to be difficult to get any improvements done on that northern parking area. After reading some of the posts on that parking area, I can assume what I heard is true.
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Actually, they never paved any of the site for parking because the polo horses don't like concrete.
Saw this in the B2002 thread, but I figured I would mention it here.
I gotta agree, at least in the Polo Field location, Surf Cup had a very pedestrian feel this weekend unlike previous years. The problems I have (very similar to the post I quoted):
- No more grand entrance. My kids used to get pumped walking through the main entrance under the "Best of the Best" signs with the high energy music pumping. What happened to the grand entrance and why is the tent so far removed from the main parking areas and fields? No wonder I saw so few people wearing Surf Cup T-shirts.
- Too many flights. I've watched many Surf Cup games over the years and there's a definite drop-off in the quality of play, particularly in the lower flights.
- Lack of Quarterfinals. I was talking to a out of state parent and he was very disappointed that there wasn't any quarterfinals like in previous years, especially for a 3-day tournament. With only group winners advancing, often the third game is pointless for a lot of teams, so these out of town teams travel far and pay a lot of money just to play 2 meaningful games. However some age-groups do still have quarterfinals, so I wonder again if it's an issue of having too many flights/teams where there's not enough space to have quarterfinals for most brackets.
- Spotty time management. Again, another out of town parent was complaining to me that their games were shortened because the games were running behind schedule. So they're paying a lot of money and they can't even get complete games.
- Lack of game balls. Some fields only had two or just one official game ball. This meant there was often a 30 second delay on goal kicks just to get the ball back in play. These delays really start to add up. There should be a minimum of 3 game balls on every field.
- No tournament pins. It's a small thing, but it's always frustrating when big tournaments skimp out on the small things, especially with such high entrance fees. The Las Vegas tournaments had the same issue. Most kids love tournament pins and it's not expensive to make.
Anyway my point to post this here wasn't to antagonize Surf supporters but to maybe get some answers from someone in the know about some of the shortcomings and see if they are just temporary. With Surf just getting the Polo Fields, this weekend hasn't been a great showcase for how they're going to run the tournament on those fields going forward. It's felt like just another San Diego tournament.
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