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Technician72 said:
Unfortunate that most will either be voting based on "Anyone but Hilary / Trump" and voting to block one or the other. GJ actually fits the bill for a lot of us but electability due to the reign of the two party system rears it's ugly head yet again.

Continue the discussion BIZ & Wez, enjoy reading the discussion.
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The two party system will reign a long as people keep voting for them.
 
So I'm trying to make some sense of the GOP's platform. Am I wrong here, or do these jokers really plan on get up on stage and talking about how we need less porn and more guns.

What the heck has happened to the republican party? How could the be any less clueless about life here on planet earth...
 
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tenacious said:
So I'm trying to make some sense of the GOP's platform. Am I wrong here, or do these jokers really plan on going to get up on stage and talk about how we need less porn and but more guns.

What the heck has happened to the republican party? How could the be any less clueless about life here on planet earth...
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Thank you! Sex bad, gun violence good. Now we have Pence as VeeP, as if things could get any worse...
 
Wez said:
Thank you! Sex bad, gun violence good. Now we have Pence as VeeP, as if things could get any worse...
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I don't think there any "republicans" left in the Trump camp that will turn away because of the Pence selection. On the other hand, Pence doesn't bring in any new voters, like some other choices might have.
 
espola said:
The two party system will reign a long as people keep voting for them.
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Agree, that's why I have voted "3rd party" in several elections, even when others call it a lost cause. Have to start somewhere, now if we can just get the media to give some attention to someone outside the Big 2!
 
espola said:
On the other hand, Pence doesn't bring in any new voters, like some other choices might have.
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Strategically, Trump has to be looking to lock down certain states and get some swing votes in battleground states that traditionally decide the presidency.
 
Technician72 said:
Strategically, Trump has to be looking to lock down certain states and get some swing votes in battleground states that traditionally decide the presidency.
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I have read the theory that the Pence choice is to attract Koch Brother money. He still may not win, but his campaign is not going to go broke.
 
espola said:
I have read the theory that the Pence choice is to attract Koch Brother money. He still may not win, but his campaign is not going to go broke.
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With both candidates polling close, they're both going to need that money to wage an all out war for those few percentage points that will decide it.
 
espola said:
The two party system will reign a long as people keep voting for them.
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The problem with the third party candidates isn't that people won't vote for them, it's the candidates themselves. Johnson the current third party candidate always looks like he's high. Before him, Nadder, Perot also brought a big scoop of the crazy.
 
Technician72 said:
Strategically, Trump has to be looking to lock down certain states and get some swing votes in battleground states that traditionally decide the presidency.
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I'm going to vote for Hillary. Not going to waste my vote making some dumb statement about what I want the world to be... rather I'm going to use it to help pick the winner. When I look at the stage, she's the only winner I see. Trump is a maniac. I don't want to have to look at that dumb face on that Johnson guy when his libertarian economic voodoo crashes the nations economy just like it did in Kansas and Mississippi.

Hillary is boring, also makes some crazy faces and is a terrible campaigner... but she's going to be a strong president. She's a tough old broad, and sorta like with the Kennedy's the Clinton's are synonyms with America. So I have no doubt she's all in with team American... and isn't going to sell away the farm.
 
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The problem with the third party candidates isn't that people won't vote for them, it's the candidates themselves. Johnson the current third party candidate always looks like he's high. Before him, Nadder, Perot also brought a big scoop of the crazy.
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Compared to Trump?
 
espola said:
Compared to Trump?
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I just think that Republican voters opted to send their leaders a message and say even they were having trouble buying into the program anymore.

That said, worse comes to worse and everyone knows they can make the GW Bush argument that yeah Trump might not be a great politician, but he can hire smart people and they will want to help. It's one of the true great advantages of being the national establishment candidate, from one of the two big parties... just like it terms of money, you also have a much deeper well of talent to draw on too.
 
tenacious said:
I just think that Republican voters opted to send their leaders a message and say even they were having trouble buying into the program anymore.

That said, worse comes to worse and everyone knows they can make the GW Bush argument that yeah Trump might not be a great politician, but he can hire smart people and they will want to help. It's one of the true great advantages of being the national establishment candidate, from one of the two big parties... just like it terms of money, you also have a much deeper well of talent to draw on too.
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So it's ok that Trump is crazy because he's Republican (at least this year, he is).
 
Wez said:
I would consider you a stooge if you believed all the Clinton conspiracies, so I didn't call you a name unless you fit that very narrow description. I'm warming up to GJ, but as I've already said, if he isn't going to get anywhere near being elected, I consider my vote to block Trump, more valuable for the health of our nation.
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Wez said:
I assume we'll make it to at least semis (we won ManCity), which will be in OC. Are you a different weekend though?
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nope same weekend. Our road to the sem
espola said:
The two party system will reign a long as people keep voting for them.
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tenacious said:
So I'm trying to make some sense of the GOP's platform. Am I wrong here, or do these jokers really plan on get up on stage and talking about how we need less porn and more guns.

What the heck has happened to the republican party? How could the be any less clueless about life here on planet earth...
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They are probably just as clueless as the
tenacious said:
I'm going to vote for Hillary. Not going to waste my vote making some dumb statement about what I want the world to be... rather I'm going to use it to help pick the winner. When I look at the stage, she's the only winner I see. Trump is a maniac. I don't want to have to look at that dumb face on that Johnson guy when his libertarian economic voodoo crashes the nations economy just like it did in Kansas and Mississippi.

Hillary is boring, also makes some crazy faces and is a terrible campaigner... but she's going to be a strong president. She's a tough old broad, and sorta like with the Kennedy's the Clinton's are synonyms with America. So I have no doubt she's all in with team American... and isn't going to sell away the farm.
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Gruber sold you guys healthcare and Comey sold you Hillary. Politics is all about the stupidity of the American people.
 
espola said:
So it's ok that Trump is crazy because he's Republican (at least this year, he is).
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I don't know that I'd say okay... so much as knowing that it's a real advantage having access to the smarter/better labor pool- then not having it. I'd even go as far as to say it should be the deciding factor when forced to choose between dumb and dumber candidates.

Or maybe I'm getting it wrong. Why don't you draw up of what you think this guy Johnson's cabinet will look like if he got elected. And write in all the best and brightest names in the Libertarian Party that will help him lead this country forward. Something tells me I'm going to find it underwhelming compared to who the Republicans or the Democrats can pull together...
 
tenacious said:
I don't know that I'd say okay... so much as knowing that it's a real advantage having access to the smarter/better labor pool- then not having it. I'd even go as far as to say it should be the deciding factor when forced to choose between dumb and dumber candidates.

Or maybe I'm getting it wrong. Why don't you draw up of what you think this guy Johnson's cabinet will look like if he got elected. And write in all the best and brightest names in the Libertarian Party that will help him lead this country forward. Something tells me I'm going to find it underwhelming compared to who the Republicans or the Democrats can pull together...
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Why should he appoint only from his party?
 
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