Ricky doesn’t understand what he reads. Let’s pitch in and get him crib notes.
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I bet he's read the book... as it strikes me as one he'd enjoy. That said, I just don't see the parallel between the book and dems? I look at how things are going in Virginia for example, and the idea that these guys are putting together some plot for world domination is somewhat laughable to me. It's nothing like 1984, where such events would be whitewashed or turned into propagandist victories. So I'd be interested in Ricky breaking it down for me, because I just don't see it.
And also, Ricky always critiques my critiques of music because he's got the better ear. So now that we've moved onto the subject if literature I figure I'll return the favor...
Sheriff Joe
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How does it feel to be smarter than everyone you deal with?
Oh Joe... you're a big fella too. Maybe stop posting crazy racist shite and maybe when people share thoughts and ideas and it won't feel so much like a competition, or that they are out to get you?
I think you know how to read as well.
Follow the thread back to where I brought Orwell into the discussion.
“She was arrested for hate”
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Not a big leap to see the parallel.
Agreed?
Is it "tryanny of big government" that Orwell was really critiquing? He was European after all, and they tend to be rather big government as compared to Americans in my experience.
Also, my read of Orwell was that the real problem was Big Government that put it's own needs above those of the people? And that the Government uses control of the media and information to maintain it's control over the population. In fact it uses all means necessary to maintain control. That it's all relative. I.e. ideas such "hate" are no longer seen as right or wrong- rather where hate is helpful to the government it promotes hate, and where it hurts the government everything quashed. Killing people... no longer right or wrong, only helpful to the government or not. That's the hell Orwell was talking about by my understanding.
"I dance like a butterfly..."
Ricky is not lying. I did say that. Of course, I was wrong...as he already well knows. She wasn’t arrested for her thoughts. She was arrested for her outward expression of hate toward the trans and in front of her kid(s).
Orwell has nothing to do with it, but it was a fun opportunity to see Ricky’s excellent comprehension of literature.
He has people who understand things for him, and tweet him daily talking points. He used to admit that by quoting his sources, but not since we started pointing out what a sucker he was.
You do agree with me.
If you didn’t, you would have answered
My question.
1984 was not singular in its diagram of tyrannical dystopian society, and I agree with much of what you posted.
Another example is the manipulation of language today.
Socialism becomes liberalism
Abortion becomes women’s health
I’m sure you can think of a few from your perspective as both political parties have progressed toward a government centric power structure where the citizen (prol) has become something to be managed rather than served.
The greatest value of Orwell's 1984 (so named because he wrote it in 1948, and it was published the next year) was that it distilled the essence of the European dictatorships that led to WW2. It is interesting that the book came out just as the USA was entering its own flirtation with right-wing dictatorship that we eventually came to call McCarthyism.
I have already referenced the movie Brazil, released in 1985 as a sort of Monty Python twist on 1984. Also of interest in that vein would be Huxley's Brave New World (1931) and Orwell's Animal Farm (1946).
Liberalism is no different from what it was under FDR or LBJ or others...the wingnuts just redbait by calling it “socialism,” as always. Remember Joe McCarthy.
As for abortion, the backroom, coat hanger, etc. has also always been part of the discussion. Have you ever read about the history of anything, Ricky? Besides having not read 1984 until 1984?
Agree? I'm open to hearing the bits of the book you think point out Orwell was pushing for small government or abortion and then maybe I'll agree... but I don't think those parts are in there.
At least my read was the book was a warning of governments using fear and misinformation to stay in power and spin unethical actions as being necessary. I can talk specifics but I somehow doubt we will agree on that either.
“She was arrested for hate”
You see the parallel.
In 1984 the government didn’t “spin” meanings. It changed the meanings of words to be completely opposite of reality. Ingsoc (English socialists) used the ministry of truth to bury the truth by erasing parts of the language and changing key words and phrases in order to control and brainwash the proletariat class.
See the “ministry of truth’ is actually the vehicle of deception.
I'll have to check out Brazil- I remember seeing the cover at Blockbuster when they still had stores but I've never watched the movie.
I've always thought Huxley was born about 100 years too early, as his ability at writing witty repartee on outside of the box ideas is truly top notch. If he were writing today he'd be movies and we'd put him on par with Jon Favreau or Quinton Tarantino.
Anyway, my understand is Orwell came up with the idea for 1984 while he was in the hospital recovering from a neck wound he received from Marxist sympathizer fighting the government in Spain. After that he was sort of done with Stalin apologists and it's reflected in both 1948 and Animal Farm. Another book he wrote that goes after the communists, but with Animal Farm instead of control of the media he points his aim toward the top down structure of the Communist collective farm system and it's effect on all the beasts who live there...