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Too long - in Washington forum's absence, all we have is the talking-soccer toilet bowl for Oregon. No es bueno.How long has your forum been down?
Too long - in Washington forum's absence, all we have is the talking-soccer toilet bowl for Oregon. No es bueno.How long has your forum been down?
I think you might need to put your reading glasses on. Nobody here is touting the DA as a flawless system. Just your argument that it is the worst thing that has ever happened to Women’s soccer.
There is literally nothing forcing players to play 90 minutes. Those who are capable do, substitution rules allow for 7 subs except for the oldest age group. So, the DA has made a provision whereby only 3 field players are actually required to play the whole game.
There is nothing forcing players to train the 4 days a week. It just requires that the clubs make the 4 days a week available. A lot of clubs have taken it on themselves to make one of these 4 days a strength and conditioning day, or a film session, this is a positive so stop trying to make it a negative.
There are 100% flaws to the DA, as there is with everything, but there are also flaws in your argument as you’re making the facts suit your agenda, where these facts also apply to other areas of the sport such as high school soccer.
I imagine given your proclivity to use medical articles to dictate how you approach the game (one would guess every other aspect of life too) that your child has never once headed a ball and is banned from ever doing so.
You should direct message Dominic to see if he has any interest in developing a new forum?Too long - in Washington forum's absence, all we have is the talking-soccer toilet bowl for Oregon. No es bueno.
All hat, no cattle. Still nothing but personal attacks and deflection. That said, I will consider your statement that GDA isn't flawless to constitute progress. Since you're at least willing to concede that GDA has flaws, how do you feel about GDA eliminating the HS ban?
Let me also give a warm welcome to the WA newcomers. Now that the issue of GDA rules increasing knee injury risk is about to become a moot point in WA, do you fellas have an opinion on the pill as a means of reducing ACL injury risk?
this is actually not the most current research, ACL prevention is not about strengthening supporting muscles but rather training the neural networks.... reality is, weak ACLs and supporting muscles cause ACL tears, or abnormal contact. Strengthen the supporting muscles and reduce the risk, it’s not the only solution but it is a solution.
this is actually not the most current research, ACL prevention is not about strengthening supporting muscles but rather training the neural networks
I can see how that would be true. What I would see as strengthening the muscles around the ligaments (the jumping and landing I see in pregame and warm ups) could definitely also be part of training the neural networks. One and the same I imagine.
Definitely no expert on ACL prevention. Just not a fan of the rhetoric being spewed by EOL
No, it has nothing to do with strengthening the muscle around the ligaments. That's what I used to think but that is not the current research. It is the neural pathways between the muscle movements and the brain. May not like EOL but he does have some accurate knowledge.
Here is one article that talks about this and how neuroplastic changes in the brain rather than strength training are an important part of ACL prevention.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2938326/
Have you ever taken the pill? “The pill” has several variations, some more estrogen based, others with more progestorone. Some chemical make ups will cause girls to put on weight, others violent mood swings, others acne. Please tell me which pill specifically reduces the risk of ACL tears in all women and doesn’t cause them to put on weight or turn into the devil? Because that is a pill I can get behind.
I can also get behind ACL prevention as part of warm ups and training... which funnily enough I have seen at DA clubs and on DA teams.
Your premise seems to be that the DA causes ACL tears.. reality is, weak ACLs and supporting muscles cause ACL tears, or abnormal contact. Strengthen the supporting muscles and reduce the risk, it’s not the only solution but it is a solution.
My opinion on high school soccer has nothing to do with DA existing or not. I think high school soccer is poor quality with a few exceptions to the rule. I have no issue with players forgoing high school to train and play with like minded people. I also have no issue with players choosing ecnl so they can play high school.
Also, the heading... answer my question.
Wow, that is very impressive that you have read ALL the research that is out there. Not sure that is possible but maybe you are an orthopedic surgeon or similar to have looked at ALL the research on this topic. This is why I don’t start discussions on these types of topics because the energy is about trying to discredit a poster rather than having a real discussion about the research. The original comment was on strengthening the muscles around the knee joint and how THAT is not effective. No one said anything about building core strength. Of course that is necessary and helpful. Like I said, everyone can look at the research and I am not going to go back and forth about this. Thought I would put something helpful out there but don’t have a need to debate the information.
And by the way, your quote above reinforces what I am talking about...incorporating plyometrics and movement training exercises, not strength training around the knee joint
Strengthening all muscles is important. It is precisely because other muscles are strong that the load does not land entirely on the knee ligaments. Neuromuscular adaptation is generated by resistance training AND explicitly taught movement patterns. I have no query with the idea that explicitly teaching movement patterns might be beneficial. However, there are no muscles around the knee (quad, glutes - which are considered core but are involved in knee action, hamstring) that should not be strengthened. Also, the purpose of plyometrics is to build strength (it uses multiple muscle groups in tandem). I don’t want to discredit any poster, only ideas. I would guess we actually agree on a lot here. My debate is only with the idea that strengthening muscles is no longer important.