Discussion in 'Boys Development Academy' started by younothat, Jul 13, 2017.
What I asked about was the difference in training techniques between European and American youth academies. It's an objective question, not theoretical.
Actually, you didn't answer my question. I answered you how it was different and I also said the training techniques weren't much different from what I was seeing from solid US clubs or teams that were decentralized. I also provided an example where the European club academy director agreed with that generalization.
"having my son train in Europe a few times and seeing those systems up close, it is night and day compared to here. they are training kids to be professional. We are training kids for college."
What is different?
is LAFC thinking on having 2003,2002,2001 academies next year?
LAFC wants to have a full academy worth of teams for the next season 18-19. However, we prefer single age calendar year groups.
Ussda had initially indicated that only one combined age would remain for 18-19' either U18/U19 like it is for 17-18 or U17/18 from 16-17'.
Since then ussda has backed off somewhat and stated that the oldest single calendar year U15 age group is experimental and a decision would be made around nov on what age groups would play in 18-19. Depending on that outcome we will reevaluate and sumbit app for the age groups that make sense for our program.
Dude Abides, not sure if you are a parent or a coach in your club (if you previously stated, I missed it) but I think that you are missing a very important piece of the puzzle. The USSF has done a great job of marketing itself to further its intentions and needs. Without the DA, the growth in the pay to play system effectively collapses. Not the system itself. As mentioned by many on this and other boards, there is no shortage of parents in this country willing to shell out 50k per child for little or no FINANCIAL return in the form of any type of scholarship. In fact, when loss of academic scholarships due to lower GPAs because of the heavy practice schedule, other than the dot com collapse, not sure that I have seen a worse investment. Having said that, the system works. The overwhelming majority of kids pay to play, which in turn provides a circuit for the deserving kids to play and earn their scholarships. Everybody wins. The kids that should get scholarships, get them, the parents who live out their fantasies through their kids, funds the program and allows youth soccer to continue to grow until it becomes self sustaining in about 40-50 years. We need a couple of generations to grow up playing and in turn, start coaching and teaching the community kids (similar to what you see in our own Mexican leagues) which, along with the growth from top down, will push out the middle men hustlers who make their living screaming at our children to kick the ball up the field. The good coaches will get absorbed into the system and the hustlers go back to flipping burgers.
To circle back around to your point, the differences between the two academies is quite irrelevant since they both serve completely different purposes. European Academies look to develop talent to play professionally while the American DA looks to prepare kids for college and turn a tidy profit. I understand that their "Stated" objective is otherwise but you already know different. In other words, selling the sizzle and not the steak.
Again, the reason you see more and more agencies and scouts popping up around the country facilitating the transfer of our prospects to academies outside of the US is simply because the demand is there. Frankly speaking, the parent assessment part is simple. If your kid is 14 years old or above and you have not been approached by a foreign scout, your prospects are limited. Not because kids won't further develop but because academies prefer to get them young enough to develop them within their own system of play. Those who can not or will not make the move look for clubs/teams where they will continue to develop to the liking of international clubs. Possibly teams such as yours but tough to say as I don't know which club/team you are with.
There use to be a coach down south (Fullerton) that created something similar to what you describe. His teams played a beautiful style of play, they were ranked #1 in the US for years and could beat any academy team. Heard his ego got so big that he self-destructed but your point remains. There are places where players go to develop rather than DA.
In closing, the fact that you have so many people that buy into what the DA is selling them (looks to be even worse on the girls side) is actually a good thing for US soccer. Those parents are doing their part to help invest in the infrastructure needed for the sport of soccer.
You make many valid points that I do not argue with. All I really was saying at the beginning is the DA's aren't all top notch and many of the best players aren't going DA for various reasons. In our case we are very fortunate because we offer a higher level of soccer compared to many DA programs for a fraction of the time and money. Find what works for your kid and go with it. Anyone exhausting a lot of time, money or both on DA will have a hard time seeing it objectively. Only time will tell how those kids really benefitted in the long run. I'm guessing the ROI will be insignificant between the two groups.
I gather from your repeated non-answer that the difference is that a senior American coach says "I guarantee that there will be college coaches watching your child play", and a European coach says "I guarantee that there will be professional team scouts watching your child play". Otherwise, no difference in training?
I did, I don't think you are fully comprehending. Have you been over to Europe to watch them train? They are much more focused on tactical play and less flashy play that isn't practical in a speedier game. Soccer IQ is revered and nurtured over there.
I have only been to a few DA sessions for 3 different clubs. One was excellent and happened to be associated with a professional team. The other two were definitely a step down in training and quality of players from what we have. Which makes sense because now that there are so many DA options, parents are separating them on quality. It isn't enough to just say my kid plays DA. Well which one? How many smart kids that were really good at soccer, choose a strong academic college with no potential of playing over playing for a D2 that has weak academics. It happens all the time.
I believe our team's training sessions are pretty close to the European sessions but we train about half the amount of hours. We spend a lot of time on tactics We also offer a lot of benefits that most US Clubs and probably not even DA's have like a speed coach, team doctor, and nutritionist in addition to our head coach, assistant coach and trainer. Only three of those are paid staff so we do know how to maximize resources while keeping costs down for the parents.
Which DA club did not take your boy?
Sounds like you have some sort of resentment.
I know it's hard to comprehend but if you had read all my replies you would know that a total of 6 were approached from our team. the top four players all turned it down. the bottom two that were borderline starters left. Draw your own conclusions.
European clubs don't train the same way, or share a single approach to development. That's nuts.
Where did you go? Ireland? Never heard any DOC, anywhere in Europe, talk about WINS like you are.
I'll take your answer to be a no you haven't been there. No, not Ireland, EPL club. Pretty sure they care about winning. Do u12 DA's keep score? Of course they do and if you don't think they measure their progress by wins, you're nuts. Someone posed the question and I answered it based on my personal experiences and observations. Why don't we just compare notes in a few years when our kids age out.
Can't imagine what led you to believe a PL academy would care about winning a U12 game. And yes the so-called academies here do care about winning because the paying customers like wins. Only one of the myriad reasons we suck.
So what team does your son play on?
Does it rhyme with Scammers?