Galaxy U15 champions?

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there's a social media video going around with the Galaxy U15's screaming "campeones, campeones". I don't see anything from US Soccer Academy that gives them a recognition about wining a championship.
 
They had the most points in the SW division for the season.

Other than that there is no playoffs or championsips in u15 so to claim as league champions is simply not true since there are several other conferences they did not play or compete in any manner.

in the end did any of there players get better as the season went along? Only watched a couple part games and there last match couldn't tell you a galaxy player that stood out. The player of the game was on the opposing team IMO.
 
They were the top team in their division, which is enough for most people to call themselves champions. At 80 points and 2.7586 points per game they lead all the U15 teams in the US. In the MLS they call that the Supporter's Shield. I think both of those reasons are pretty much good enough for a bunch of 15 year-olds to be able to scream Champions if they want to.
 
Standings and championships are not the same.

Ussda conferences play each other to determine champions in certain age groups.

supporters shield MLS? Or the points/gp is not the same for da teams. Conferences play different number of games (15-30) and since there no playoffs teams don't just play for points.

When the Galaxy actually win a tournament like Dallas cup or anything that has playoffs yes calling them champions are apporiate.

Should we have every age group that doesn't have standings from u12-15 be crowned champions if they acuure the most any of points in each conference even though they don't play each other, or are even competiting for the most points? Of course not....ussda doesn't want this and will let the parties know I'm sure
 
Wow, some people have issues.

A philosophical discussion about whether they are technically Capeones or not under whatever standard applies=OK. Everyone I know considers a team that wins their league in any sport, to be league champions, (unless there is a successive playoff of those same teams.)

A discussion about whether 15 year old boys that won their league flight/division/whatever (which apparently they clearly did), should be on social media yelling campeones=LAME.
 
With all the top notch players they’ve picked off, they should be champs of at least the SW division.
 
Is all the hatred towards the 15 year old kids that probably hear it from the sidelines for playing for Galaxy or is it directed towards Galaxy? It seems that regardless of its a win or a loss it will never be good enough for certain parents because of the name in their jersey. Man I feel for these kids; win, lose, or draw there will always be someone that thinks it’s not good enough. They should have won, they should have won by more, they don’t dominate the entire game, they seem not to be developing (?????), Seems that they had a good season and probably are happy that soccer and school are nearly done so they can enough the summer.

Maybe they academy’s can organize the top 2 or 3 teams in each division to have a tourney to determine to top team in the US.
 
Is all the hatred towards the 15 year old kids that probably hear it from the sidelines for playing for Galaxy or is it directed towards Galaxy?
What are u talking about? There’s one set of posts saying there’s no official championship and another set of posts saying they won the SW division so they’re at least champs of SW.
 
Congratulations to the galaxy players and coaching staff for doing well throughout the regular season with the age group.

Southwest Division like most in DA has some competition near the top of the division but then it seems to fall off after which is unfortunate. I really think a pro/rel system would help in that regard starring at this age group or something but it seems like it will never happen, establishment keep there teams year after year even when there less than <1 point per game played. (bottom 4 for example). Same teams year after year so things seem stale, bringing in new teams would make things more exciting for everybody IMO.

You can split hairs about who's calling out something but the rules & regs are published and pretty clear about how ussda awards championships, I have yet to see them do that without some post season play or playoffs but have things changed?
 
Southwest Division like most in DA has some competition near the top of the division but then it seems to fall off after which is unfortunate. I really think a pro/rel system would help in that regard starring at this age group or something but it seems like it will never happen, establishment keep there teams year after year even when there less than <1 point per game played. (bottom 4 for example). Same teams year after year so things seem stale, bringing in new teams would make things more exciting for everybody IMO.

Relegation ain’t gonna work because there’s 2 classes of teams, the pro teams LAG and LAFC, and the club teams. The pro teams are always going to be able to pick off either 1) best players or 2) kids who are good and will work the hardest because they have dreams of going pro. The club teams can and do lose top players they have trained and developed to LAG (and I’m sure LAFC will pick off talented players starting next year).

Relegation should be punishment for teams that fail to develop players, and promotion should reward teams that have successfully developed talent. But it’s possible for club teams in SW Academy division to develop top players, lose them to LAG or LAFC, and then be relegated.

The accumulation and monopolization of talent is the reason why LAG has been on top of the SW division for so long, and promotion/relegation system will have no impact on the ability of pro teams to suck up the best players.
 
Relegation ain’t gonna work because there’s 2 classes of teams, the pro teams LAG and LAFC, and the club teams. The pro teams are always going to be able to pick off either 1) best players or 2) kids who are good and will work the hardest because they have dreams of going pro. The club teams can and do lose top players they have trained and developed to LAG (and I’m sure LAFC will pick off talented players starting next year).

Relegation should be punishment for teams that fail to develop players, and promotion should reward teams that have successfully developed talent. But it’s possible for club teams in SW Academy division to develop top players, lose them to LAG or LAFC, and then be relegated.

The accumulation and monopolization of talent is the reason why LAG has been on top of the SW division for so long, and promotion/relegation system will have no impact on the ability of pro teams to suck up the best players.

The ability for pro teams to pull in the most amount of players will likely aways be in their favor but that's not the point of a promotion/regulation system.

Like you stated Relegation should be punishment for teams that fail to develop players, well when the bottom 4 teams have a combined point total that is about the same as a single team on the top there is a huge in balance problem like in u15.

Why not let some teams from other leagues say the top 4 from national cup, CRL, or whatever apply so the competition get better for league? The 3-4 teams that didn't performance good enough can go back to the club circuits and try again next year if they do well there.

Pro/real will help the MLS side's in the long run and all the clubs will have a actual pathway based on performance not just politics or connections.

The lack of consist competition in DA at the top end in really shows when teams play in tournament with international, MX, or open comp. Man City cup is a perfect example, besides a single team lafc & galaxy ussda didn't fair well at all vs the other sides from anywhere else and it wasn't even close most of the time.

Time for change, the status quo and establishement just are not getting it done, reward the teams that perform on the field and regulate the one that don't, simple, stop giving teams a pass year after year when they can't even muster a single point per game, the bottom 3 teams in this age group for example.
 
The lack of consist competition in DA at the top end in really shows when teams play in tournament with international, MX, or open comp. Man City cup is a perfect example, besides a single team lafc & galaxy ussda didn't fair well at all vs the other sides from anywhere else and it wasn't even close most of the time.

I'm confused, didn't two of your 3 teams make finals and the 05s won?
 
Why not let some teams from other leagues say the top 4 from national cup, CRL, or whatever apply so the competition get better for league? The 3-4 teams that didn't performance good enough can go back to the club circuits and try again next year if they do well there.

Either u or someone else who knows more about DA was saying teams have to meet a bunch of requirements to qualify for DA (coaching licenses, minimum field requirements, coaching education etc.). Teams investing money to qualify for DA r not gonna be happy to get bounced out, especially if the players they developed got picked off.

The teams that you identified that won CRL or National Cup may not qualify for DA, but now they are gonna get promoted in? I’m pretty sure the teams that spent time and money qualifying for DA will be upset if some club gets in via promotion and doesn’t have to jump through all the DA hoops. And if you require the promoted teams to meet DA qualifications, are they gonna do it? There are teams that have chosen not to go the DA route because it doesn’t work for them.

And what’s the point of churning the bottom of the DA pool? Because that’s what’s gonna happen, you’re going to switch out one set of bottom tier teams for another.

The issue is the DA teams and non-DA teams are in different ecosystems, and promoting/relegating teams from the DA universe to the non-DA universe requires them to switch ecosystems, and that switch brings its own set of complicated issues and problems.
 
The lack of consist competition in DA at the top end in really shows when teams play in tournament with international, MX, or open comp. Man City cup is a perfect example, besides a single team lafc & galaxy ussda didn't fair well at all vs the other sides from anywhere else and it wasn't even close most of the time.

You’re complaining about the lack of competition in the DA league when u guys pickoff most of the best players? C’mon.

And the reason the US sucks vs. international competition is that the US development system for soccer sucks and has turned soccer into a grind. Top athletes that can play multiple sports abandon soccer at huge rates. Even the best DA teams, the level of athleticism is just so low. The US national team is so incredibly slow and unathletic I don’t care what kind of coaching you give those chumps (except Pulisic) they are gonna suck.
 
I'm confused, didn't two of your 3 teams make finals and the 05s won?

Yes but the competition level & teams was basically the same as the league, LA United is a good local club but there not Man City, Chivas, etc. Same thing happen at man City last year when the da teams played the international teams. It's clear to see what happens even with the best local da financed teams try to compete on a bigger stage, they are lacking in technical skills overall compared to the better comp.
 
Either u or someone else who knows more about DA was saying teams have to meet a bunch of requirements to qualify for DA (coaching licenses, minimum field requirements, coaching education etc.). Teams investing money to qualify for DA r not gonna be happy to get bounced out, especially if the players they developed got picked off.

The teams that you identified that won CRL or National Cup may not qualify for DA, but now they are gonna get promoted in? I’m pretty sure the teams that spent time and money qualifying for DA will be upset if some club gets in via promotion and doesn’t have to jump through all the DA hoops. And if you require the promoted teams to meet DA qualifications, are they gonna do it? There are teams that have chosen not to go the DA route because it doesn’t work for them.

And what’s the point of churning the bottom of the DA pool? Because that’s what’s gonna happen, you’re going to switch out one set of bottom tier teams for another.

The issue is the DA teams and non-DA teams are in different ecosystems, and promoting/relegating teams from the DA universe to the non-DA universe requires them to switch ecosystems, and that switch brings its own set of complicated issues and problems.
A microcosm of the pro/rel challenges at the pro level. How do you convince owners of MLS franchises, that invested millions to "buy-in" to the league, to open the ecosystem allowing lower-division teams to promote up and potentially bump their organization down to a lower league without the same inflow of money for TV rights, marketability, and such?

Yes, plenty of arguments for pro/rel and how the market would take care of those issues over time, but I'm not the one that needs to be sold on the idea. I'm conceptually for pro/rel, but I'm also a realist. Convincing AEG and the other big stake holders in MLS? I just don't see it happening...ever.

Back to the point...I don't see it happening in DA either, for similar reasons. The stake-holders wanna hold onto their stake. True player development be damned.
 
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You’re complaining about the lack of competition in the DA league when u guys pickoff most of the best players? C’mon.

And the reason the US sucks vs. international competition is that the US development system for soccer sucks and has turned soccer into a grind. Top athletes that can play multiple sports abandon soccer at huge rates. Even the best DA teams, the level of athleticism is just so low. The US national team is so incredibly slow and unathletic I don’t care what kind of coaching you give those chumps (except Pulisic) they are gonna suck.
You call it picking off. I call it promoting the better players and bringing them into a pro environment. What's wrong with that? Isn't that the way it should happen? Do high-quality, local academies in Madrid bitch and complain about their players being poached when they get pulled into Real Madrid or Athletico academies? Doubt it.
 
You call it picking off. I call it promoting the better players and bringing them into a pro environment. What's wrong with that? Isn't that the way it should happen? Do high-quality, local academies in Madrid bitch and complain about their players being poached when they get pulled into Real Madrid or Athletico academies? Doubt it.
I don’t have any problems with it.

I’m just saying, don’t complain about the lack of competition when every year you are picking off the best players from said competitors.

And outside the US, clubs get transfer fees when their youth players get poached, so its not the same circumstance. If you pay its sex, if you don’t pay its rape.
 
And outside the US, clubs get transfer fees when their youth players get poached, so its not the same circumstance.
Yep. Very good point. If it's about $$$, and we all know it is, then compensate downstream. Everyone wins.
 
Yes but the competition level & teams was basically the same as the league, LA United is a good local club but there not Man City, Chivas, etc. Same thing happen at man City last year when the da teams played the international teams. It's clear to see what happens even with the best local da financed teams try to compete on a bigger stage, they are lacking in technical skills overall compared to the better comp.

The US competes against kids whose #1 sport is Soccer. We lose our best athletes to football/baseball/basketball, not sure how to fix that.
 
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