Making Sense of the Leagues

Josep said:
I don’t believe the DPL will play as many games as Pilot, but I could be mistaken. Pilot will play all of the other games on the DA schedule, on the same day. This was not the case for the DPL this year.
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Seeing is believing, last year dpl was suppose to be this & that and it turned into a 9 game fall sesson.

The "pilot" sell this year is some how for one age group things will be different with more games, spring & winter play.

The da has prioity on all the fields, the availability & costs for other teams on the same dates is going to be really tricky when you already have 4 girls and 5 boys teams competiting for field access that day/weekend.

The cost of dpl just for field game access will be 3x what it was this past season if they try to hold on to that promise. I have some serious doubts that those promises will be keep just like what happen this season.
 
jpeter said:
Seeing is believing, last year dpl was suppose to be this & that and it turned into a 9 game fall sesson.

The "pilot" sell this year is some how for one age group things will be different with more games, spring & winter play.

The da has prioity on all the fields, the availability & costs for other teams on the same dates is going to be really tricky when you already have 4 girls and 5 boys teams competiting for field access that day/weekend.

The cost of dpl just for field game access will be 3x what it was this past season if they try to hold on to that promise. I have some serious doubts that those promises will be keep just like what happen this season.
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^this needs to be repeated!
 
jpeter said:
Seeing is believing, last year dpl was suppose to be this & that and it turned into a 9 game fall sesson.

The "pilot" sell this year is some how for one age group things will be different with more games, spring & winter play.

The da has prioity on all the fields, the availability & costs for other teams on the same dates is going to be really tricky when you already have 4 girls and 5 boys teams competiting for field access that day/weekend.

The cost of dpl just for field game access will be 3x what it was this past season if they try to hold on to that promise. I have some serious doubts that those promises will be keep just like what happen this season.
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It is going to be very difficult to fit in the DPL 03 Pilot games on the same field as the DA games. Currently there are 4 games each day. Technically games are not suppose to start before 9:00 am though I do see some of the U14 games have started at 8:00 am. You need two hours between games otherwise everything runs late. If you start at 9:00 am with 5 games that last one will not be over till close to 7:00 pm. If you start at 8:00 am that still puts the ending close to 6:00 pm. Thus you will now need to make sure the games are played on lighted fields or they will need to secure two fields side by side for games.
 
Josep said:
That was 00-01 team maybe? But that club didn’t have any other strong contenders on the girls side besides his team, and most of them went with him to Slammers I believe??
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The 99-00 team used to play in National League and was a pretty good team if I remember correctly.
 
Josep said:
That was 00-01 team maybe? But that club didn’t have any other strong contenders on the girls side besides his team, and most of them went with him to Slammers I believe??
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They went with him to Slammers ECNL and won back to back national championship
 
With 3 (DA, DPL and ECNL) leagues for "top" players - What will happen to SCDSL? Are they still planning their "Discovery" bracket? My understanding is this is meant to be "higher than Flight 1 Champions".
Aren't many of the people who made up SCDSL also on these DA and ECNL clubs? Are they hurting the league they created?
 
timbuck said:
With 3 (DA, DPL and ECNL) leagues for "top" players - What will happen to SCDSL? Are they still planning their "Discovery" bracket? My understanding is this is meant to be "higher than Flight 1 Champions".
Aren't many of the people who made up SCDSL also on these DA and ECNL clubs? Are they hurting the league they created?
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Yup. Thing is, the dilution affects and hurts the "top" leagues too. Look at DA, there are many bad teams and lopsided scores there. At least with ECNL (also many lopsided games) they were allowed to play outside competition so when they had a walkover league schedule at least they could broaden their horizons in tournaments for the majority of a season. DA will just play the same teams (the out of state ones are even worse than the bad Cali ones) and when you're a club in Southern Cali (where the standard is far higher for girls soccer than the rest of the US) that makes zero sense if developing kids is the objective.

Maybe, just maybe the no outside competition rule is to maintain the facade....;)
 
Sense, nope too many closed self serving "leagues" and besides CSL no attempt at promotion & regulation Pro/Rel #prorel #ProRelForUSA

 
So here's a thought - If you are not in one of these "closed" leagues - DA, DPL or ECNL - Why not play in Coast Soccer League?
 
timbuck said:
With 3 (DA, DPL and ECNL) leagues for "top" players - What will happen to SCDSL? Are they still planning their "Discovery" bracket? My understanding is this is meant to be "higher than Flight 1 Champions".
Aren't many of the people who made up SCDSL also on these DA and ECNL clubs? Are they hurting the league they created?
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My impression is that the Discovery Barcket was designed to provide additional features (game video, individual player recognition, and tournament support for winners) to make a logical appeal for some of the SCDSL clubs with DPL teams to have the DPL teams come home for fall league. Based on CRL, National Cup and major showcase results, there is nothing to suggest that DPL should be considered a top league at the level of DA or ECNL. At best DPL teams appear to be at the level of other competitive non-DA/ECNL club teams. At some point, the players, parents and clubs with strong DPL teams might see the benefit of instead playing in a strong LOCAL league with teams that are beating them in these non-DPL competitions.
 
Dummy said:
My impression is that the Discovery Barcket was designed to provide additional features (game video, individual player recognition, and tournament support for winners) to make a logical appeal for some of the SCDSL clubs with DPL teams to have the DPL teams come home for fall league. Based on CRL, National Cup and major showcase results, there is nothing to suggest that DPL should be considered a top league at the level of DA or ECNL. At best DPL teams appear to be at the level of other competitive non-DA/ECNL club teams. At some point, the players, parents and clubs with strong DPL teams might see the benefit of instead playing in a strong LOCAL league with teams that are beating them in these non-DPL competitions.
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Was told the discovery bracket has some special "bonuses"; champions get their league fees back which I heard was close to 2x normal, tournament entry, featured promotion, and some other stuff I don't recall the exact details . At least there making some attempt at rewarding competitive play besides the college showcase push, video, player(s) of the week, month bits.
 
Dummy said:
My impression is that the Discovery Barcket was designed to provide additional features (game video, individual player recognition, and tournament support for winners) to make a logical appeal for some of the SCDSL clubs with DPL teams to have the DPL teams come home for fall league. Based on CRL, National Cup and major showcase results, there is nothing to suggest that DPL should be considered a top league at the level of DA or ECNL. At best DPL teams appear to be at the level of other competitive non-DA/ECNL club teams. At some point, the players, parents and clubs with strong DPL teams might see the benefit of instead playing in a strong LOCAL league with teams that are beating them in these non-DPL competitions.
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For a Dummy you are pretty smart!
 
I haven't heard much more about the Discovery League lately. Is this still going to take place?
Has Coast Soccer done anything to try and bring clubs back? With all of the mega-club acquisitions, you'd think Coast would have an opportunity to take some of the smaller non-affiliated clubs from SCDSL and work something out. Or take clubs that stuck a mega club name on their jersey, but want to go back to being independent.
 
2SoccerGirls said:
It's all really confusing, but I decided to write down everything that I could find out in one place! Of course, things have changed even since I wrote this last week, but I'm going to share in case it's helpful for others.

http://socalsoccermom.com/2018-so-cal-club-soccer-leagues-for-girls/
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Very informative. Looks like you put in the work ... nice job!

Question....in one of your opinion pieces you say, "The “DA” is finishing its inaugural year and is currently CONSIDERED the top program for Southern California girls soccer ...."

'Who' currently considers this?
 
GoWest said:
Very informative. Looks like you put in the work ... nice job!

Question....in one of your opinion pieces you say, "The “DA” is finishing its inaugural year and is currently CONSIDERED the top program for Southern California girls soccer ...."

'Who' currently considers this?
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Most people that I've talked to do, and the DA certainly does, but that doesn't mean things won't change next year across the country. ECNL is still very strong here (especially at certain age groups) and there are plenty of very talented girls who have decided to play ECNL over DA because they want to play high school, or for a multitude of other reasons. Of course, there are amazing players who don't play DA...or ECNL. Thanks for reading!
 
GoWest said:
Very informative. Looks like you put in the work ... nice job!

Question....in one of your opinion pieces you say, "The “DA” is finishing its inaugural year and is currently CONSIDERED the top program for Southern California girls soccer ...."

'Who' currently considers this?
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Answer: The US Soccer Federation, college coaches recruiting in SoCal, all the clubs with DA teams, the majority of parents in those clubs, US Youth Soccer/Cal South, AYSO, etc.

Those that disagree will be parents and players in the ECNL.
 
MWN said:
Answer: The US Soccer Federation, college coaches recruiting in SoCal, all the clubs with DA teams, the majority of parents in those clubs, US Youth Soccer/Cal South, AYSO, etc.

Those that disagree will be parents and players in the ECNL.
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Hmmm, well, yeah sure USSF is a given being it was their idea to start a new league. College coaches and club DOC's with dual ECNL / DA programming that I've spoken with are not as firm in their convictions as you seem to be. As for the balance (parents, AYSO, etc.) that's a bunch of people you speak for ...not to mention the ECNL parents. I really don't care one way or the other because my DD plays for a pretty good team / club with dual representation in both leagues that is representing very well in both forums. Thanks for the response.

Best of everything to you and your player!
 
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