Script Flip: Presidio Rejects Surf

Aware.
But don't buy into the fact that the two are not intricately woven together. It's obvious

Surf Cup Inc (or whatever their current corporate name is) separated from Surf Club decades ago.. MC pulled the golden egg out of that goose.
 
Surf Cup Inc (or whatever their current corporate name is) separated from Surf Club decades ago.. MC pulled the golden egg out of that goose.

Again aware not getting into it on a public forum. Wink wink
I know they have absolutely noooottthhhinngg to do with them now
 
Presidio makes big decisions like this by public vote - one vote for each club in good standing, and one vote for each board member. After telling all those clubs that they are leaving because their shit don't stink as bad as the locals, four years is too soon.
Everyone can come blame all sorts of people, at the end of the day it was this meeting where Surf essentially said they were too good for everyone that still bothers many of these people that are voting. Whether right or wrong, a lot of these same people are still the presidio reps and remember. Makeaplay, you are right on the girls side but not necessarily on the boys side. I think it can be resolved, but will take an effort made by JH to get this sorted. No reason that it shouldn't happen, but the soccer community is not big when it comes to things like this.
 
Everyone can come blame all sorts of people, at the end of the day it was this meeting where Surf essentially said they were too good for everyone that still bothers many of these people that are voting. Whether right or wrong, a lot of these same people are still the presidio reps and remember. Makeaplay, you are right on the girls side but not necessarily on the boys side. I think it can be resolved, but will take an effort made by JH to get this sorted. No reason that it shouldn't happen, but the soccer community is not big when it comes to things like this.

Also, every club in the county has seen Surf attempt to skim off their better players. Better to keep them playing in the distant league.

Surf is so arrogant they even got kicked out of CSL.
 
Accidental repeat. It doesn't change the truth. Personally I think that it is a waste for Surf's top two teams to play in Presidio even at the younger ages. All but a couple of the top players in San Diego played for Surf in my player's age group and that isn't even close to being disputed. If they played in Presidio I wouldn't have had her waste her time there. Surf knows their "A" team customers. Top players not the rank and file.

How high was your nose in the air when you typed that? Were you able to see the keyboard at all?
 
Anyone know what the stated reason was that Surf was denied? I'm far from a Surf cheerleader, but if Presidio did it to be vindictive that's incredibly lame and shortsighted. Why wouldn't you want another competitive club in your league...its about the kids, right?
Surf hasn't been about the kids as long as I've been around. There is nothing that they offer to b and C teams that many other clubs around them can and do. Surf tried to kill competition with ecnl and scdsl, didn't work.

They should live with it. How many chances do you give an organization to prove they aren't what they are?
 
In my player's age group the Surf "A" team lost once in their last 3 years and it was to Carlsbad Premier Red at the time. The only other losses EVER in Presidio where to the Surf Blue team and the Surf Lemay team that merged with the Surf White team the next year. The DOC is different as are many of the key coaches and CC is not longer there. What else do you want?
Surf Soccer Club is not Surf Cup Inc.
Are you sure about that???
 
Are you sure about that???

They have separate non-profit registrations, and file separate 990s with IRS. There may be a lot of overlap in control, and I am pretty sure that Surf Soccer enjoys some of the profits from Surf Cup, but they are distinct entities.

I often wished that there would be some legal tussle between the two that would result in laying out the agreement documents between them in public.
 
They have separate non-profit registrations, and file separate 990s with IRS. There may be a lot of overlap in control, and I am pretty sure that Surf Soccer enjoys some of the profits from Surf Cup, but they are distinct entities.

I often wished that there would be some legal tussle between the two that would result in laying out the agreement documents between them in public.
I wonder if board members have ownership in Surf Cup Sports.
 
All pain from the pat aside. There are two other clubs that are acting in a similar fashion, neither tried to screw csl, and both control Presidio. Presiding members may be wise to play them all against each other.

CEO in a sweat suit, really? Someone has become a little too greedy.
 
All pain from the pat aside. There are two other clubs that are acting in a similar fashion, neither tried to screw csl, and both control Presidio. Presiding members may be wise to play them all against each other.

CEO in a sweat suit, really? Someone has become a little too greedy.

I remember back when Presidio had its website disaster (2004-5) and representatives from many clubs met with CSL asking them to take over. They declined unless clubs were willing to pay a lot higher fees than they had been paying Presidio.
 
@MakeAPlay -- they'd probably hoped to put their younger C,D, E,... teams back in presidio - not the top teams.
Surf is (was?) too good for Presidio:
“San Diego’s Presidio Soccer League is no longer the right soccer environment for our highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players,” said Jeremy McDonald, San Diego Surf Soccer Club’s President in an open letter circulated back in 2013. “Today, we announce that we are ending our long-term relationship, which has helped develop thousands of youth soccer players. We do not believe playing in Presidio is in the best interest of our players.”
But apparently Surf has been following the same model as other clubs, "If they'll pay, we'll give them our monogrammed uniform (and Mom's bumper sticker for her fancy car), and let them play."

Surf had a few really pretty crappy teams this year, some of which could not have competed against AYSO all-star teams. One of their younger boys teams lost most league games by the double digits. Despite Presidio not being "the right soccer environment for our highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players," nor "in the best interest of [their]players,” this team gave their parents and players the dream of State Cup. But this highly touted club petitioned to play in the Mayor (Rec) division, and did not get past the first round.

So I guess Surf figured they needed to put these kids back in AA-C/B, etc. so they could impress the parents with the great development of their children who are such highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players and keep charging them thousands of dollars for the Surf logo.

Presidio, knowing they and their players are far inferior and beneath this elite club, said, "No thanks."
 
Personally - and I am no fan of Surf - I think it's a shame that Presidio did this. Surf has brought in some great B and C team coaches the last three years who are trying to develop and I think are humble and hardworking people.
I also think that Presidio has some fantastic boys side teams.
It's a shame that Presidio didn't allow this but I can see why it happened.
I for one feel that there are too many clubs period. I wish that club was club- that there was a basic level that had to be attained before "signing the bottom line" and that the rest of us could play in a large geographically oriented league. It just seems like it has gotten out of control
 
Surf is (was?) too good for Presidio:

But apparently Surf has been following the same model as other clubs, "If they'll pay, we'll give them our monogrammed uniform (and Mom's bumper sticker for her fancy car), and let them play."

Surf had a few really pretty crappy teams this year, some of which could not have competed against AYSO all-star teams. One of their younger boys teams lost most league games by the double digits. Despite Presidio not being "the right soccer environment for our highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players," nor "in the best interest of [their]players,” this team gave their parents and players the dream of State Cup. But this highly touted club petitioned to play in the Mayor (Rec) division, and did not get past the first round.

So I guess Surf figured they needed to put these kids back in AA-C/B, etc. so they could impress the parents with the great development of their children who are such highly competitive and accomplished youth soccer players and keep charging them thousands of dollars for the Surf logo.

Presidio, knowing they and their players are far inferior and beneath this elite club, said, "No thanks."

PSS as a historical point of interest when that decision was made Surf was in fact the Surf of lengends. I remember that time very well. It was always a lopsided game and the OC represented a new frontier honestly.
The very same year the switch happened was a Grind but it was a good one. Competition was better.
Then Slammers and Strikers added a million teams. Surf did the same. It was all within the last three years when all the extra teams got added- don't know if it was the chicken before the egg or what. It all happened at the same time.
 
I remember back when Presidio had its website disaster (2004-5) and representatives from many clubs met with CSL asking them to take over. They declined unless clubs were willing to pay a lot higher fees than they had been paying Presidio.
Those were the days I guess.
In any case sounds like it worked itself out.

Surf has always wanted an undeserved advantage. No matter what the advantage you need us average people to pay for the elite and the ones that don't pay.

Strange that Mrs. Make a Play brought up the Lemay thing. Almost the beginning of the end of the good old days as far as I'm concerned.
 
Those were the days I guess.
In any case sounds like it worked itself out.

Surf has always wanted an undeserved advantage. No matter what the advantage you need us average people to pay for the elite and the ones that don't pay.

Strange that Mrs. Make a Play brought up the Lemay thing. Almost the beginning of the end of the good old days as far as I'm concerned.

It's business they always wanted a complete monopoly and did everything they could to preserve that image. They took a geographic advantage and built a dream- did it quite well. People were drinking that Kool-Aid because the fact the matter is the elite players had no other place they could go and play high-quality camp competition in the city of San Diego . That's what I always thought was so funny as everyone thought it was the best club and no one ever thought maybe they were the best club because that really elite players had no other places they could go .
 
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