2017 Cal South State Cup

My understanding of the header rule, is that DOGSO cannot be used for a header. And that no cards are to be issued for using your head (i.e.- even for persistent infringement or unsporting behavior).
Seems the ref got this one wrong, but- I'm sure the opposing sideline would be on here today complaining about the non call if he didn't give a card for it.
Actually the opposing sideline, Beach FC, thought the call was ridiculous and felt the ejection was too much. Give them the goal, free kick , maybe even a yellow as a warning if the ref thought it needed but no need to punish a player for a great save. Beach was already up by goals and more concerned about ALL girls development long term. This call only created confusion....as did the yellow card on the free kick.
 
Group Round Recap

Group A
Surf held on and cruises into the 2nd round. FRAM came up short in Goal Differential and Galaxy SD moves on in 2nd.

Group B
Blues and Beach drew to start the day, and West Coast fell short of the win to advance putting Beach FC SB into the next round.

Group C
Albion kept rolling as So Cal Academy topped Slammers to get 2nd.

Group D
RSC took care of business and Strikers nabs 2nd. Laguna played with a lot of pride in beating Eagles who had a early exit.

Group E
Anaheim Surf locked 1st and SDSC came up big to jump into 2nd place and the knockout round.

Group F
Galaxy had a rough time in the wind but held onto the group as Strikers North squeaks in by the narrowest of margins on the tie breaker over Rebels. FCGS with a tough exit in this tough group.

Group G
Beach LB and CDA Slammers held court and both move on.

Group H
Legends with a whopping performance in the group round. Hotspurs right behind them.



Sweet 16
  • Surf vs. Hotspurs
  • Albion vs. Strikers North
  • Anaheim Surf vs. Strikers OC
  • Beach FC - LB vs. Beach FC - SB
  • Blues vs. CDA Slammers
  • Real So Cal vs. SDSC
  • LA Galaxy - SB vs. So Cal Academy
  • Legends FC vs. LA Galaxy SD

The match ups are set and it doesn't get any easier from this point forward. Take note that elimination rounds go to two 10 minute halves before proceeding to PKs if necessary.

Breakdown:
A few matchups on paper have their favorites, while others even with an edge could go either way.

Surf should make it past Hotspurs without too much difficulty.

Albion versus Strikers North will be a contrast in styles and all about who can set the game up. Ryan Park can be decent or downright bad for teams who like to keep the ball down. Albion is favored but Strikers - North is deadly in elimination games, the longer this stays within 1 goal, the more it favors them.

Anaheim Surf has been one of the best teams in the age group and if they win State Cup, they may have had the toughest road there. They draw one of the tougher matchups in the sweet 16 and if they move on could get the toughest match up there as well. Strikers OC has a punchers chance but has to keep it low scoring.

Beach vs Beach may very well be the game of this round. Both squads are very talented and can show up on the big stage. Slight edge to LB in this one, but this could go either way.

Blues vs. CDA Slammers, somebody get these kids some oxygen on the sidelines because both these squads love to play fast and high tempo. They can put together quick 1-2's or play direct and bruise each other up. This one will be intense until the final whistle.

RSC should have the edge on SDSC, but there's a wave of momentum for SDSC who qualified right at the end into this round.

Galaxy SB vs. So Cal Academy will be be a fun one to watch. So Cal has some firepower and Galaxy will have to slow this game down defensively but capitalize in the final 3rd to get past this one.

Legends FC over Galaxy SD as the black and yellow is on a roll right now!


Let's hear it everyone, what did you see out there in the group round and how will the sweet 16 play out?
Great break down Tech. Thanks
 
Rebels 2006 gold parent here. First time at Galway downs. Beautiful fields. Giant, wide fields with the grass in great condition. A little bit of frost in the morning, dust storms on saturday, and crazy winds on sunday. The Galaxy South Bay elite team was excellent. very organized, technical, athletic and had strong finishers. Fun to play them. Strikers-mirola were very athletic and we were lucky to escape with a 1-1 tie. Have to applaud FC Golden State for keeping true and working out of the back.

I thought the Refs were great, no issues or problems with any sidelines. Just watched some hard working, talented and motivated soccer girls play. Good Luck to the teams still in it and see you next year.
 
Let's hear it everyone, what did you see out there in the group round and how will the sweet 16 play out?

Just a few random thoughts...
1) West Coast plays a very pretty game and has a player that I think is one of the best in this age group. They make some mistakes in the back against pressure that cost them goals (and ultimately wins), but I really enjoy how their coach has them play. If they are able to add some talent next year (I have heard they will), they will be a very strong team.
2) Beach Milner plays a very disciplined game with a defense that bends but rarely breaks. They don't seem to have a lot of offensive firepower, but was impressed with how organized they are on defense.
3) Blues Holley played without any subs against Anaheim. They held Anaheim to 0-0 until very late in the game, when Anaheim scored on a ball through the goalie's legs. The Blues goalie against Anaheim is actually one of their better fullbacks, apparently forced into that role as they lost their goalie. While I think Anaheim was already through with the top spot in the group before the game started, I was impressed that Blues was able to battle Anaheim so well. Saw some of Anaheim on Saturday and they are certainly strong enough to win it all.
4) Speaking of goalies, there are some amazing ones at this age. Saw a few great saves this weekend by goalies that are really starting to understand how to play the position. The LAGSD goalie made a 1v1 save that was amazing.
5) Strikers OC has lost some really good players since the start of the year, but they are still solid. I'm not sure they can make a long run, but kudos to those girls for continuing to play well after the loss of their coach and some talented players.
5) The wind was horrible on Sunday, but not sure it made a difference in any results.
6) Ultimately, I didn't see anything this weekend that changed my mind on the favorites; SD Surf, Anaheim Surf, Legends and Albion. Didn't see LAGSB play, but they took care of business and certainly still have a chance.
 
Decent fields ?
They get a lot of usage, so it depends. Typically they're not stellar fields, but they can be above average. Played State Sup there for group round last year and they were okay. Large fields there are impacted more with slope issues, small fields not as much.
 
1) West Coast plays a very pretty game and has a player that I think is one of the best in this age group. They make some mistakes in the back against pressure that cost them goals (and ultimately wins), but I really enjoy how their coach has them play. If they are able to add some talent next year (I have heard they will), they will be a very strong team.
Coach Swanson is one of the best at teaching that style of play, and walking the walk in terms of development over wins.

3) Blues Holley played without any subs against Anaheim. They held Anaheim to 0-0 until very late in the game, when Anaheim scored on a ball through the goalie's legs. The Blues goalie against Anaheim is actually one of their better fullbacks, apparently forced into that role as they lost their goalie. While I think Anaheim was already through with the top spot in the group before the game started, I was impressed that Blues was able to battle Anaheim so well. Saw some of Anaheim on Saturday and they are certainly strong enough to win it all.
Holley's girls have gone through a lot, and I think if rumors are true that combining her and Rob's team next season will do that club well. Tough to field multiple flight 1 teams with the landscape changing again next season.

6) Ultimately, I didn't see anything this weekend that changed my mind on the favorites; SD Surf, Anaheim Surf, Legends and Albion. Didn't see LAGSB play, but they took care of business and certainly still have a chance.
I think that's a very accurate call of the "Top 5" to win it all.
 
They get a lot of usage, so it depends. Typically they're not stellar fields, but they can be above average. Played State Sup there for group round last year and they were okay. Large fields there are impacted more with slope issues, small fields not as much.
I'm assuming they have lights as well being our game starts at 5:10pm :)
 
The CDA Slammers Salazar team always seems to have tremendous growth throughout the year and Coach Salazar always has his girls peaking this time of year. If I remember correctly this happened last year as well with his team. Very aggressive high paced but they touch the ball as well. He has some very technical girls not just athletes. Always fun to watch this team play. Good luck to all teams playing next weekend.
 
Just a few random thoughts...
1) West Coast plays a very pretty game and has a player that I think is one of the best in this age group. They make some mistakes in the back against pressure that cost them goals (and ultimately wins), but I really enjoy how their coach has them play. If they are able to add some talent next year (I have heard they will), they will be a very strong team.
2) Beach Milner plays a very disciplined game with a defense that bends but rarely breaks. They don't seem to have a lot of offensive firepower, but was impressed with how organized they are on defense.
3) Blues Holley played without any subs against Anaheim. They held Anaheim to 0-0 until very late in the game, when Anaheim scored on a ball through the goalie's legs. The Blues goalie against Anaheim is actually one of their better fullbacks, apparently forced into that role as they lost their goalie. While I think Anaheim was already through with the top spot in the group before the game started, I was impressed that Blues was able to battle Anaheim so well. Saw some of Anaheim on Saturday and they are certainly strong enough to win it all.
4) Speaking of goalies, there are some amazing ones at this age. Saw a few great saves this weekend by goalies that are really starting to understand how to play the position. The LAGSD goalie made a 1v1 save that was amazing.
5) Strikers OC has lost some really good players since the start of the year, but they are still solid. I'm not sure they can make a long run, but kudos to those girls for continuing to play well after the loss of their coach and some talented players.
5) The wind was horrible on Sunday, but not sure it made a difference in any results.
6) Ultimately, I didn't see anything this weekend that changed my mind on the favorites; SD Surf, Anaheim Surf, Legends and Albion. Didn't see LAGSB play, but they took care of business and certainly still have a chance.

What happened to the players at Holley and Strikers? Injuries? Leaving for other clubs before state cup?
 
Ridiculous!!!!Beautiful day..nice fields...but are you kidding with the amount of DIRT on all the cars..never seen anything like it ...

Most of that dirt was due to idiot parents driving around the track/parking on fields 1-8 at 45 mph. The 20 mph Santa Ana winds blowing from the east to west didn't help one bit. I did a few games on Sunday (ref) and this was the most wind I had experienced at Galway, but just about all of SoCal was like this.
 
Most of that dirt was due to idiot parents driving around the track/parking on fields 1-8 at 45 mph. The 20 mph Santa Ana winds blowing from the east to west didn't help one bit. I did a few games on Sunday (ref) and this was the most wind I had experienced at Galway, but just about all of SoCal was like this.
Saturday they forgot to water the sand pit. 2mph or 50mph wasn't going to matter . Good thing they watered the parking lot Sunday or they probably would had to cancel the games due to zero visibility . The wind gust had to be at least 50mph - 60mph. Have a good video clip of the extremely windy conditions.
 
Saturday they forgot to water the sand pit. 2mph or 50mph wasn't going to matter . Good thing they watered the parking lot Sunday or they probably would had to cancel the games due to zero visibility . The wind gust had to be at least 50mph - 60mph. Have a good video clip of the extremely windy conditions.
I don't think they forgot to water it, in as much as they didn't want to add water to a water logged tracked.
 
My understanding of the header rule, is that DOGSO cannot be used for a header. And that no cards are to be issued for using your head (i.e.- even for persistent infringement or unsporting behavior).
Seems the ref got this one wrong, but- I'm sure the opposing sideline would be on here today complaining about the non call if he didn't give a card for it.

You are correct that heading is not the same as handling. "Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm." US Youth Soccer has made "heading" the ball for the U11 and under's is an "indirect free kick" offense and did not expand the definition of handling.

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)
  • denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the opponents’ goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
Neither condition is present because it wasn't "handling" and wasn't a "direct free kick" penalty.

But, should the player have been carded? No.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned unless:
• The offence is holding, pulling or pushing or
• The offending player does not attempt to play the ball or there is no possibility for the player making the challenge to play the ball or
• The offence is one which is punishable by a red card wherever it occurs on the field of play (e.g. serious foul play, violent conduct etc.)
In all the above circumstances the player is sent off.

Since the "penalty kick" is off the board, the correct call should have been: "Foul, indirect free kick from penalty box line perpendicular to where foul occurred, no caution and no red card."

The above is basically a long winded version of you are correct sir.
 
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned unless:
• The offence is holding, pulling or pushing or
• The offending player does not attempt to play the ball or there is no possibility for the player making the challenge to play the ball or
• The offence is one which is punishable by a red card wherever it occurs on the field of play (e.g. serious foul play, violent conduct etc.)
In all the above circumstances the player is sent off.

Since the "penalty kick" is off the board, the correct call should have been: "Foul, indirect free kick from penalty box line perpendicular to where foul occurred, no caution and no red card."

The above is basically a long winded version of you are correct sir.

So you're shown a red for pulling back a fwd in the box but it's only a yellow if you slide in half looking to get the ball but miss it? Pushing (dangerous play) I understand but for "pulling" a penalty kick seems sufficient.

Your last sentence made me chuckle.
 
What happened to the players at Holley and Strikers? Injuries? Leaving for other clubs before state cup?


Continuously texting while the kids were playing a game at the TOC could be a contributing factor. Caught the attention of Blues higher ups so guessing parents noticed too.

Combining the teams seems like a smart move for Blues as they weren't able to quite get it done with the two teams when it came to higher end opposition.

Surf are rightful favorites from what I've seen.
 
Ref was trying to be the star of the show...
A defender from SVSC deliberately headed the ball out of the goal while the goalie was down and unable to make the save. Quite a brilliant move by defender really. Well, as headers are not allowed in this age group the ref gave her a red card as well as an indirect kick to Beach approximately 3-5 feet from the goal line. He then gave Beach a yellow card when the player taking the kick shot directly as defense rushed her directly after the whistle. It was all a bunch of craziness that resulted in a defender being punished for what anybody playing 2005 and above would have considered a great move/save.
Funny enough another of their defenders deliberately saved a goal with their hands later and although Beach got the penalty, there was no cards given. Evidently somebody reminded the ref that the girls are only 10 and don't need to be kicked out of a game for such an innocent mistake.

So why didn't the SVSC coach protest the game due to a misapplication of the LOTG?
 
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