Sheriff Joe
DA
Too many Asians in the Ivy's.
Anti-Asian Bias, Not Affirmative Action, Is on Trial in the Harvard Case
The New Yorker
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw3eTekupUi-hrFMdw1KQhRt&cf=1
College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach
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Anti-Asian Bias, Not Affirmative Action, Is on Trial in the Harvard Case
The New Yorker
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...AhAB&usg=AOvVaw3eTekupUi-hrFMdw1KQhRt&cf=1
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...er-recruit-20190319-story.html?outputType=amp
Just read this story. Looks bad for Cromwell. I don’t think she survives this as the CEO of the team. So the athletic director can fire himself or Cromwell. You pick.
Just read this story. Looks bad for Cromwell. I don’t think she survives this as the CEO of the team. So the athletic director can fire himself or Cromwell. You pick.
Wow... just saw they put the pic of #41 on the cover of the LA Times. I’m really a bit blown away by that. MAP, you’re smarter and more successful then me, but the well has been poisoned. Get your kid out of there. (That’s as much as I don’t know).
Also from they way they did Cromwell in that article... leaving her flapping out in the wind- she’s a goner. No way squeaky clean UCLA goes to war with the LATimes over this, and plainly the Times is itching for a fight even if they aren’t yet ready to print the whole story. At least for her sake she can head to Europe and coach pro soccer for a few years til thing blow over.
Also from they way they did Cromwell in that article... leaving her flapping out in the wind- she’s a goner. No way squeaky clean UCLA goes to war with the LATimes over this, and plainly the Times is itching for a fight even if they aren’t yet ready to print the whole story. At least for her sake she can head to Europe and coach pro soccer for a few years til thing blow over.
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gefelchnik
SILVER
It seems clear from the direction the school spokesman is going that they intend to see if the men's coach can absorb all of the blame.
Reading between the lines from what he said in this article, the story the school would be pitching would be something like this:
1. Men's coach submitted a falsified athletic profile to the womens coaches...suggests that the player will be able to help the team and doesn't require any scholarship money. Women's coaches agree based on strong recommendation from men's coach without seeing her play.
2. Student gets admitted as a recruited non-scholarship athlete.
3. At some point (could have been back in step 1, or after the women's coaches realize the the girl is not an athlete nor a soccer player), the women's coaches classify the girl as a practice player. This is well after the admission, and she may have already started at the school.
4. Given the options at this point, the women's coaches decide to just let it be and not raise the issue back to the school (and report on the men's coach). It is just for a year and they didn't knowingly do anything wrong.
Agree. It read to me like they are scrambling to save Cromwell and I think the explanation you give here is what they will say went down.
It’s hard to fathom tho that the w soccer staff would take the word of the men’s coaches. I can’t imagine an instance where a men’s coach would say “hey this kid is good enough to make your national championship contending team. Don’t worry about seeing her play or even knowing who she is, I’ve seen her and she’s good enough.” Cromwell doesn’t call the club coach or double check on the girl? At all? Even talk to her on the phone? What if she’s bat %£~* crazy? UCLA is in the hunt for a national title. I don’t think many (any) coaches bring in some random to jack with chemistry and or the culture of the program without a cursory check. That’s crazy if that’s the case.
We all know how insanely competitive the w soccer world is in so cal. That a kid could make the UCLA roster with the mere recommendation of the men’s coach and no one checking on that sounds ridiculous.
gefelchnik
SILVER
Yea agreed.
My post was just saying where the narrative from the school seems to be headed, not that I think it is what happened.
While there is an NCAA limit on the number of scholarships a college may award, there is no limit on the number of recruits they may admit. Letting #41 in cost the women's team nothing, and it may have helped in the internal politics. And - we don't know how many other times this may have happened among the various UCLA athletic programs.
SpeedK1llz
GOLD
You people are crazy if you believe any of this nonsense and UCLA is crazier if they think any reasonable person is buying any of this. While I agree that UCLA athletics would love for all of us to believe anything that suggests the women’s program blindly accepted this girl on their roster or had no idea what was going on or found out too late that she actually couldn’t play is just straight BS.
No coach at this level, not a single one, would take any player blind without having done some homework on her. Additionally, it would have been obvious on day one in the summer (before school started) that this girl could not play. They either knew it before they rostered her or shortly thereafter. If they were truly hoodwinked, they should have said something immediately knowing this could come back and bite them in the arse.
I hope UCLA is objectively investigating this to find out the truth. Ultimately, if nobody is held accountable on the women’s side then I guess colleges turning a blind eye on unethical behavior when you are running a successful program doesn’t just stop at football and basketball.
No coach at this level, not a single one, would take any player blind without having done some homework on her. Additionally, it would have been obvious on day one in the summer (before school started) that this girl could not play. They either knew it before they rostered her or shortly thereafter. If they were truly hoodwinked, they should have said something immediately knowing this could come back and bite them in the arse.
I hope UCLA is objectively investigating this to find out the truth. Ultimately, if nobody is held accountable on the women’s side then I guess colleges turning a blind eye on unethical behavior when you are running a successful program doesn’t just stop at football and basketball.
Dos Equis
GOLD
I could not agree more.
gefelchnik
SILVER
I was just pointing out that after a week of no comment, this is the story that the school spokesman seems to be going with.
They will have talked to all of the coaches involved at this point on the women’s side....and given this is what the school is saying, it is likely this is what the school has been told by those coaches.
I don’t believe that narrative at all. I just think that’s what UCLA will sell to keep Cromwell and hope the public buys it while they vilify the other major players.
What i think happened is Jorge told Amanda hey I’ve got a friends kid who really wants to get in. Her parents are loaded and can help with your program financially. Could you use her as a manager for a year? Amanda said ok and admitted her as a w soccer player and then rostered her. Never at any time did anyone think the girl would actually suit up at practice or any other time.
To what degree admitting a kid as an athlete when they are not deserving of the special admit is illegal (law wise, ncaa wise or school policy wise) we will see. And who the axe ultimately falls on.
What i think happened is Jorge told Amanda hey I’ve got a friends kid who really wants to get in. Her parents are loaded and can help with your program financially. Could you use her as a manager for a year? Amanda said ok and admitted her as a w soccer player and then rostered her. Never at any time did anyone think the girl would actually suit up at practice or any other time.
To what degree admitting a kid as an athlete when they are not deserving of the special admit is illegal (law wise, ncaa wise or school policy wise) we will see. And who the axe ultimately falls on.
Supermodel56
SILVER ELITE
You make a great point - Cromwell has the discretion to admit anyone she wants for whatever reason - as a favor or anything else. Hopefully she didn’t accept any payments or compensation - in that case, I think while it may be a bit embarrassing for the program, she hopefully should survive this.
eastbaysoccer
GOLD
Well if Jorge talks to the Media to reduce his sentence if any, this proposed narrative could let to student protests and more attention form the LA times.
outside!
DA
Since this is a soccer forum the portion of this that would seem to most concern us is what happened at UCLA. I agree that it does not look good for Cromwell. She either knew about this or should have known. While the players must have known something was strange, it would be almost impossible for a D1 soccer player to question the coach. It is very sad for the players to go through this turmoil.
Let me see if I follow. The men's team coach, who it seems pretty well established was taking cash to help kids get into the school... calls over to the women's team coach as says "do me a solid" and gets a girl put on the roster of one of the most prestigious and elite teams in the US? That her rich dad is going to help the program unlike the hundreds of other rich dad's trying to get their kid on your roster?
Yeah maybe, but I've got to be honest- my bs detector is ringing something fierce. And if anyone else read the comments page on that LAT story, sounds like I'm not alone in that assessment. What are there 30,000 students at that university and million+ alum? Have to imagine they are all going to have input on how to deal with a coach or anyone else who seemingly just devalued a UCLA degree they put a lot of sweat and tears into earning.
Dos Equis
GOLD
Make no mistake, the actual, recruited UCLA players here are additional victims. What these coaches did put their scholarships, their college experiences, and possibly even future soccer careers at risk. That is the primary source of my disappointment. The coaching staff of the women's team displayed extremely poor judgement, and possibly unethical behavior.
Have any UCLA coaches in any sport ever been implicated in unethical recruiting behavior in the past? If so, what happened to that sport (or those sports)?
Sheriff Joe
DA
We have a friend that's playing soccer there in 2020, scary times for them.
Supermodel56
SILVER ELITE
Well, the question is, what devalues the school/program/degree more? Getting rid of Cromwell or keeping her and finding a way to make this go away? If I were an alum, I’d want to move on from this as quickly as possible and stay out of the headlines as much as possible. Firing Cromwell would be huge and. They’d likely start seeing a lot of transfers...
If I were UCLA, I find out if anyone else took payments and if so, they’re gone, no question. As for the rest, all admissions and recruits would have to go through the admissions committee with more oversight and rules around practice squad players, etc...
On the flipside, given there is demand, I can see Universities set up supporter programs where parents can donate to the school and get priority for their kids, students still have requirements to meet and are not guaranteed - perhaps allot a certain number of spots. This way school programs are funded and it ensures in one way or another each student/parent is contributing to the university whether academically or financially. As an applicant, you now have multiple ways to get into the school of your choice.
or Louise Lieberman