College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Celebrities Phil Mickelson, Joe Montana say they used Singer's help to get kids into school
 
Supermodel56 said:
Absolutely, makes sense - agree with gotta keep everything up. I recognize that when coaches leave, all bets are definitely off. Just curious if it's the same coach, how many keep their verbal commits - even if they decide to change direction... so lets say coach lands a better player or you game declines after he verbally committed to you? Do they usually still let you attend the school but w/o scholarship money (if any was discussed?)

The other thing, if you verbally commit, how do you demonstrate interest to other schools without offending the school you "committed" to? I thought that was a big no-no and reflects poorly?
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This is why I hated the verbal commit. No verbals commits until spring of junior year IMO. This would be better for the player and the coaches.
 
eastbaysoccer said:
This is why I hated the verbal commit. No verbals commits until spring of junior year IMO. This would be better for the player and the coaches.
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That's ridiculously late. The vast majority of verbal commits are honored by both parties, but especially by the coaches. Who would commit to a coach/program if they had a track record of going back on their word for reasons other than academics?

Anyway, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Looks like more schools and programs will be entangled in this mess. Sad.
 
Supermodel56 said:
The parents likely won’t get jail time... most likely a hefty fine and community service. What they should do is rescind their diplomas.
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Didn't say they'd get jail time. But careers are destroyed and that will cost these parents millions. Law firm's chairman on leave (likely out), actors fired, etc.

End of the Line said:
Filling out forms isn't going to stop someone who is taking bribes. Also, the admission's office verifying participation in a sport doesn't help with women's soccer. USSF doesn't let the girls play HS and, as was shown by the former USC coach, he ran a comp club that did verify participation.
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Never said verification would be limited to high school teams (how many high schools offer sailing?). Plus, as I said, each coach would be required to disclose financial/other interests in athletics organizations up front (before they are hired). Admissions would therefore know up front that the coach runs the club. Failing to disclose/update a disclosure would be a fireable offense in and of itself. Makes it more difficult for any one person to control the flow of info.

Nothing is 100% perfect and this could all be refined, but "filling out forms," as you would call it, is used all the time in my line of work (finance) to help limit fraud. It works.
 
SocalPapa said:
Didn't say they'd get jail time. But careers are destroyed and that will cost these parents millions. Law firm's chairman on leave (likely out), actors fired, etc.


Never said verification would be limited to high school teams (how many high schools offer sailing?). Plus, as I said, each coach would be required to disclose financial/other interests in athletics organizations up front (before they are hired). Admissions would therefore know up front that the coach runs the club. Failing to disclose/update a disclosure would be a fireable offense in and of itself. Makes it more difficult for any one person to control the flow of info.

Nothing is 100% perfect and this could all be refined, but "filling out forms," as you would call it, is used all the time in my line of work (finance) to help limit fraud. It works.
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Filling out forms and attesting to the truth of the information entered makes the signor liable to perjury charges and the like.
 
Real Deal said:
That's ridiculously late. The vast majority of verbal commits are honored by both parties, but especially by the coaches. Who would commit to a coach/program if they had a track record of going back on their word for reasons other than academics?

Anyway, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Looks like more schools and programs will be entangled in this mess. Sad.
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Hundreds of families used this guy. How many more used his “cheating” advice???
 
messy said:
Hundreds of families used this guy. How many more used his “cheating” advice???
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“Follow the money” and where their kids took the SAT/ACT. If they took it in Hollywood or Texas then I’d say chances are high that something is up.
 
espola said:
One bit of cheating that might be untraceable was his advice to fake a learning disability and thus get more time to take the standardized tests.
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I would put money on MAP's wife being involved in some way. I think someone mentioned that she was a school psychologist.
 
soccerobserver said:
Here is a Parent who turned down the offer in 2011...saved himself a lot of headaches and other problems !

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/15/college-admissions-fraudster-rick-singer-pitched-dad-on-scam.html
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I read the article twice to make sure I didn't miss anything...
This dad got pitched by college admissions fraudster Rick Singer — but said no to the scam

So does "This dad" want an achievement award? It is pretty symptomatic of the CNBC crowd and our society in general. It seems, 'snitches get stitches' in the 1%'s world as much as they do in the poorest communities.

What exactly did this privileged a-hole do in 2011 to help make the world a little bit safer a little more fair for the rest of us. Maybe there will be a part 2 to this article where a reporter thinks to ask the guy "what did you do?" and he'll go on to explain how he went to the authorities but no one listened. I doubt it happened that way.

Think of how many hundreds of other people got the same pitch, didn't bite, but didn't do anything more. It took a guy already in Federal prison to 'rat-out' Rudy Meridith to get this whole ball rolling.

America has lost its damn mind. There is no such thing as shame anymore. I gotta get mine.
 
ChalkOnYourBoots said:
I read the article twice to make sure I didn't miss anything...
This dad got pitched by college admissions fraudster Rick Singer — but said no to the scam

So does "This dad" want an achievement award? It is pretty symptomatic of the CNBC crowd and our society in general. It seems, 'snitches get stitches' in the 1%'s world as much as they do in the poorest communities.

What exactly did this privileged a-hole do in 2011 to help make the world a little bit safer a little more fair for the rest of us. Maybe there will be a part 2 to this article where a reporter thinks to ask the guy "what did you do?" and he'll go on to explain how he went to the authorities but no one listened. I doubt it happened that way.

Think of how many hundreds of other people got the same pitch, didn't bite, but didn't do anything more. It took a guy already in Federal prison to 'rat-out' Rudy Meridith to get this whole ball rolling.

America has lost its damn mind. There is no such thing as shame anymore. I gotta get mine.
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Not quite sure of your beef. He’s doing it anonymously so he’s not taking credit for this...just sharing a story for the 24-hour news cycle. What am I missing?
 
So he has a greater obligation/desire to help his buddies at CNBC feed their machine than helping the masses chasing the higher education carrot who are already disadvantaged in that race?

My post is less of a beef with "this dad", on one level he did do the right thing. It is more an observation on all of us. Yes, we all want to look out for our kids and see that they have the best lives possible... but at what cost. This guy was able to do this for almost ten years without anyone turning him in. "This dad" and hundreds of others made the right decision to not participate in his schemes, and many of them will now recount how they turned him down and are very proud that they held to their morals and didn't bite.

However, it seems this guy and the hundreds of others thought that was their only responsibility. Our sense of what is right and what is wrong, and what to do when we see others cheating seems to be at an all time low.

The fact that you (and I'm sure many others) might not get that from my first post is kind of my point, and why we should all try harder to look out for each other.

*this is a bit off the general topic of soccer, so I'll let it go after this post. Thanks for considering my rant.
 
ChalkOnYourBoots said:
I read the article twice to make sure I didn't miss anything...
This dad got pitched by college admissions fraudster Rick Singer — but said no to the scam

So does "This dad" want an achievement award? It is pretty symptomatic of the CNBC crowd and our society in general. It seems, 'snitches get stitches' in the 1%'s world as much as they do in the poorest communities.

What exactly did this privileged a-hole do in 2011 to help make the world a little bit safer a little more fair for the rest of us. Maybe there will be a part 2 to this article where a reporter thinks to ask the guy "what did you do?" and he'll go on to explain how he went to the authorities but no one listened. I doubt it happened that way.

Think of how many hundreds of other people got the same pitch, didn't bite, but didn't do anything more. It took a guy already in Federal prison to 'rat-out' Rudy Meridith to get this whole ball rolling.

America has lost its damn mind. There is no such thing as shame anymore. I gotta get mine.
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What is the "CNBC crowd"?
 
soccerobserver said:
USC Athletic Director, in his first public comments about the admissions scandal, gives the details of the morning he found out...very interesting blow by blow details ...in particular he explained how the admin hid the new recruits from the coaches...

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-lynn-swann-usc-20190315-story.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+latimes/sports/college/usc+(L.A.+Times+-+USC+Trojans)
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Thanks for posting this... the crazy thing is that while it happened at multiple levels, it does seem like it ultimately came down to individuals that were simply given too much power - with no accountability...

To me, what comes to mind is, I'm betting that outside of this, these were otherwise fairly good people who rarely got into trouble otherwise - their biggest downfall was their inability to say "No." Rick likely pitched it off to them as a favor, not a big deal and they were doing good by helping some kid out. They didn't want to feel uncool or like a jerk. I doubt they got themselves into this mess looking for ways to make an extra buck, rather I bet it was Rick who approached them. If anything at all, this is a good lesson on teaching our kids the power of "No." "No, I'm not gonna do that.", "No thanks. ", etc... and the confidence to ignore how uncool it may seem at the time.
 
ChalkOnYourBoots said:
So he has a greater obligation/desire to help his buddies at CNBC feed their machine than helping the masses chasing the higher education carrot who are already disadvantaged in that race?

My post is less of a beef with "this dad", on one level he did do the right thing. It is more an observation on all of us. Yes, we all want to look out for our kids and see that they have the best lives possible... but at what cost. This guy was able to do this for almost ten years without anyone turning him in. "This dad" and hundreds of others made the right decision to not participate in his schemes, and many of them will now recount how they turned him down and are very proud that they held to their morals and didn't bite.

However, it seems this guy and the hundreds of others thought that was their only responsibility. Our sense of what is right and what is wrong, and what to do when we see others cheating seems to be at an all time low.

The fact that you (and I'm sure many others) might not get that from my first post is kind of my point, and why we should all try harder to look out for each other.

*this is a bit off the general topic of soccer, so I'll let it go after this post. Thanks for considering my rant.
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I was impressed by the HS college counselor at the high school who flagged the false information and met with the family to confront the fake rowing profile. He then documented that the family assured him personally that the student was a coxswain who worked with a European rowing team.

I think that was brave of the counselor to confront a massively wealthy family. They could have threatened his job if he went any further. Not everyone can afford to be a whistleblower.
 
ChalkOnYourBoots said:
So he has a greater obligation/desire to help his buddies at CNBC feed their machine than helping the masses chasing the higher education carrot who are already disadvantaged in that race?

My post is less of a beef with "this dad", on one level he did do the right thing. It is more an observation on all of us. Yes, we all want to look out for our kids and see that they have the best lives possible... but at what cost. This guy was able to do this for almost ten years without anyone turning him in. "This dad" and hundreds of others made the right decision to not participate in his schemes, and many of them will now recount how they turned him down and are very proud that they held to their morals and didn't bite.

However, it seems this guy and the hundreds of others thought that was their only responsibility. Our sense of what is right and what is wrong, and what to do when we see others cheating seems to be at an all time low.

The fact that you (and I'm sure many others) might not get that from my first post is kind of my point, and why we should all try harder to look out for each other.

*this is a bit off the general topic of soccer, so I'll let it go after this post. Thanks for considering my rant.
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Now I get it. Thanks. I would have ratted that fucker out nine ways from Sunday if he had tried that with me.
 
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