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There's no getting through Gore followers. Ask them to explain past Ice Ages and their eyes glaze over... " but look, I have this chart!"

What would past Ice Ages have to do with a current discussion on AGW?

The question has never been, does Climate change over time. The question is, how much is man contributing to the current unusual spike up in Global temperature (since the industrial revolution starting pumping carbon into the atmosphere) and what are the consequences?
 
What would past Ice Ages have to do with a current discussion on AGW?

The question has never been, does Climate change over time. The question is, how much is man contributing to the current unusual spike up in Global temperature (since the industrial revolution starting pumping carbon into the atmosphere) and what are the consequences?

One can get a non-scientific but nonetheless technically interesting look at the degree of human influence versus possible natural warming processes by recognizing a couple of things --
1) Most human sources of CO2 are in the northern hemisphere, and
2) because of global wind patterns, especially the winds known as the trade winds, the northern and southern atmosphere components are partially isolated from each other.
That has resulted in a lag of CO2 concentration as measured in the south compared with the north. One might expect, then, that regardless of any natural background warming process (sunspots, volcanoes, eetc), if atmospheric CO2 is the driver, the north would be warming faster than the south.

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What would past Ice Ages have to do with a current discussion on AGW?

The question has never been, does Climate change over time. The question is, how much is man contributing to the current unusual spike up in Global temperature (since the industrial revolution starting pumping carbon into the atmosphere) and what are the consequences?
I suppose the next question would be can anything of significance be done by man to alter climate change? What is one willing to forsake in the name of climate change?
 
I suppose the next question would be can anything of significance be done by man to alter climate change? What is one willing to forsake in the name of climate change?

The biggest change with respect to reducing anthropogenic CO2 production in current technology is converting coal-powered electrical plants to operate on other fuels (usually natural gas), or replacing them altogether with renewable electrical energy sources (wind and solar predominate). What we are "forsaking" in that case is air pollution.
 
What would past Ice Ages have to do with a current discussion on AGW?

The question has never been, does Climate change over time. The question is, how much is man contributing to the current unusual spike up in Global temperature (since the industrial revolution starting pumping carbon into the atmosphere) and what are the consequences?
Got that ratio yet?
 
The biggest change with respect to reducing anthropogenic CO2 production in current technology is converting coal-powered electrical plants to operate on other fuels (usually natural gas), or replacing them altogether with renewable electrical energy sources (wind and solar predominate). What we are "forsaking" in that case is air pollution.
or Nuclear Power
 
or Nuclear Power

Nuclear power is pollution-free when properly operated (ignoring fumbles like Chernobyl, 3-Mile Island, Fukushima, Detroit Fermi, etc) but still has a long-term waste storage and isolation problem. Perhaps t can overcome the politics that has kept the completed Yucca Mountain repository empty.
 
Arguably the best we can hope for really. I mean look at it. Wheels are off the bus, standing by the side of the road. Smoking up the last of Izzy's high grade organic fuel that he got from his brother in law and waiting for the tow truck to show up.
French Frie exhaust always gets the appetite going.
 
Pattern from the GISTEMP data? Like I posted at some other point, the decadal anomaly data spanning mid 1960's to present fits pretty well to

y = 0.5SIN(6.26x) + 0.028x, y in °C and x in years starting graphing sequence at x = 0.

That describes the pattern. How do you think the first term of the equation means for the data profile? What about the second term?

Other data sources? For anomaly records I check out HadCrut every once in a while. I've been looking at the Huntsville group's data more frequently lately. If you're looking for a red team blue team excercise read the history of the Berkeley Earth Project. GISTEMP, however, is a great swinging breath for the koan.

My old house north of the 610 loop in Houston escaped the worst of Harvey, so that was good to hear. Just a blip.
Your plot.
What pattern do you see since the beginning of the thread?
You highlighted them, so I figured you'd give us a run down on the warming.
Can you elucidate on the catastrophic warming during your highlighted thread projector?

I said all of that with a totally straight face.
 
Arguably the best we can hope for really. I mean look at it. Wheels are off the bus, standing by the side of the road. Smoking up the last of Izzy's high grade organic fuel that he got from his brother in law and waiting for the tow truck to show up.
The tow truck was worse. Smelled like Fish n Chips with Vineagar.
 
Your plot.
What pattern do you see since the beginning of the thread?
You highlighted them, so I figured you'd give us a run down on the warming.
Can you elucidate on the catastrophic warming during your highlighted thread projector?

I said all of that with a totally straight face.
Catastrophy is of no importance to Totalitarian climate policy experts. Consumption is the only thing that matters. Just ask Leonardo.
 
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