WWC 2023

I'm going to drop the subject too and focus on the WWC after this last comment. It's a lot easier to drop bad eggs in other professions or put them in areas where they don't affect the public, but bad teachers and bad cops are too well protected and it hurts the good ones. The good ones want the changes too.

Rapinoe never physically hurt anyone nor does she encourage violence. She just has some opinions I strongly disagree with. Plenty of people I disagree with are good people. Plenty of people with the same opinions as myself behave badly as human beings, unprovoked violence. It just makes more sense to judge people by their physical behavior/actions rather than their opinions. Freedom of thought and speech is vital to a free society. The constant cancel culture from the left and right is terrible. Cancel culture should be reserved for those that are violent and encourage violence.

I concur with this. And I'd say most actors and professional athletes are the last ones to be virtual signaling society. Is there anyone more removed from life's realities? Rapinoe is a 1%'er & made $7M last year. Best of the best. I really don't value her opinions on anything other than futbol.
 
I think it's preposterous to expect U.S. Soccer to change anything. If they leave the tourney early, they might can the coach. Beyond that, their argument will be that they won the last 2, were favorites to win this one and there's nothing to fix. They know more than we do. Don't they always?
 
The group stage is complete. Many surprises! Congratulations to the countries who have never made it this far.

Teams OUT at the group stage:
#17 South Korea !
#16 Italy !!
#8 Brazil !!!
#7 Canada !!!
#2 Germany !!!! wowwww

Teams INTO the KO round!
#25 Colombia !!
#40 Nigeria !!!
#43 Jamacia !!!!
#54 South Africa !!!!
#72 Morocco !!!!! wowwww
 
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Colombia is in; South Korea is out; Germany plays South Korea and Morocco plays Colombia for the last spot.
Morocco 1-0 Colombia

Silly foul PK led to the game's only goal.


Germany 1-1 South Korea

Germany spent most of the game trying to score the goal that would have gotten them into the round of 16 (or praying for a goal from Colombia).


I haven't checked the actual numbers yet, but the feeling I have is that Germany is the highest-ranked team not to make it into the round of 16 and Morocco is the lowest-ranked team to succeed at that.

[EDIT] -- see Cruzer's post above.
 
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The US women have been tough to watch. Great individual athletes that lack tactical & technical qulaities compared to the Euro teams + Japan. There is a reason why I pulled my DD out of girls ECNL after witnessing 1st year of 11v11 across the country and I'm so happy in making this decision. Any girl playing ECNL that aspires to play in Europe in the future will fall behind in this current youth system. Mark my words...
 
The US women have been tough to watch. Great individual athletes that lack tactical & technical qulaities compared to the Euro teams + Japan. There is a reason why I pulled my DD out of girls ECNL after witnessing 1st year of 11v11 across the country and I'm so happy in making this decision. Any girl playing ECNL that aspires to play in Europe in the future will fall behind in this current youth system. Mark my words...
Many of us see what you're describing.

As more and more of the bigger international clubs bring on womens teams + start training them like they do for men the USWNT won't stand a chance and it all starts at the ECNL (and GA to a lesser extent) level.

We're producing individual (not team oriented) players that resort to speed power and aggression (not skill and team possession) when pressed.
 
Many of us see what you're describing.

As more and more of the bigger international clubs bring on womens teams + start training them like they do for men the USWNT won't stand a chance and it all starts at the ECNL (and GA to a lesser extent) level.

We're producing individual (not team oriented) players that resort to speed power and aggression (not skill and team possession) when pressed.
The ECNL is built to supply college soccer programs and college soccer is not a good comp or prep for international professional soccer. I feel like college sports are a poor development system for most sports that aren't American football.
 
The US women have been tough to watch. Great individual athletes that lack tactical & technical qulaities compared to the Euro teams + Japan. There is a reason why I pulled my DD out of girls ECNL after witnessing 1st year of 11v11 across the country and I'm so happy in making this decision. Any girl playing ECNL that aspires to play in Europe in the future will fall behind in this current youth system. Mark my words...

Where else is she gonna play? Coaches don't believe in your kid unless they're ECNL. We already know ECNL isn't developing a good portion of the girls... they inherit them as a launching pad to P5 conferences.
 
Where else is she gonna play? Coaches don't believe in your kid unless they're ECNL. We already know ECNL isn't developing a good portion of the girls... they inherit them as a launching pad to P5 conferences.
GA and the Transfer Portal are gaining ground on ECNL for players on the top teams.

Not that it really matters though college soccer is the problem not the solution.
 
GA and the Transfer Portal are gaining ground on ECNL for players on the top teams.

Not that it really matters though college soccer is the problem not the solution.

What are your thoughts on the transfer portal? To me it looks like total chaos but I don't have firsthand experience with it.
 
The US women have been tough to watch. Great individual athletes that lack tactical & technical qulaities compared to the Euro teams + Japan. There is a reason why I pulled my DD out of girls ECNL after witnessing 1st year of 11v11 across the country and I'm so happy in making this decision. Any girl playing ECNL that aspires to play in Europe in the future will fall behind in this current youth system. Mark my words...

I mean it's not just ECNL....it's all if it. You might see a team here and there that is clearly well coached, but these teams are rare. But yeah, there's a reason concussion rates are higher on the girls side. Also too many coaches focused on results -- they will do anything to be on the positive side of the table. It's not good.
 
Where else is she gonna play? Coaches don't believe in your kid unless they're ECNL. We already know ECNL isn't developing a good portion of the girls... they inherit them as a launching pad to P5 conferences.

It all depends on the player but for my DD it’s a high level boy’s mls next team that trains under a European system like an Ajax Dutch system. Given that the goal is to play pro in Europe in the future.
 
What are your thoughts on the transfer portal? To me it looks like total chaos but I don't have firsthand experience with it.
I agree with the chaos statement.

It all depends on the goals of the Coach and the Athletics Department at the College. Is the team, coach, and department playing to win? Some are some aren't. Is the college playing in a highly competitive league? Some are some aren't. Unfortunately, colleges aren't professional teams and motivation can come in many forms. Maybe the motivation is to keep the parent happy that just donated a new gym for the school. Maybe the school of Mathematics and Sciences needs to expand + the only place available is the soccer fields. If the soccer team isn't winning + doesn't have student engagement / attendance + if they don't start winning soon they'll be playing/practicing 3 miles off campus in a local park.

Whatever the motivation if there's pressure to win in the short term and the current players aren't working out coaches have 2 options, freshman recruits, and transfer portal players. Freshman recruits are a crapshoot outside of 10ish clubs (who everyone is recruiting). Transfer Portal players are older, more mature, and a known commodity.

Which would you choose (in the short term) if your job was on the line? All untested freshman? All older Transfer Portal players? Or, a mix of both + see how things turn out when you get them on the field together. Most people would choose to bring on a mix of both to see what's possible.

BTW while everything above is true about College Athletics it's also 100% the reason the USWNT is having problems. In other countries talent goes to Academies from age 16ish on + coaches work on all aspects of the game with players. Those that show promise move on everyone else gets dumped. Over time this type of environment will identify more talent + train them to a higher level (at a younger age) than any college in the US can.
 
I think you're right to a point, Michelle... but anybody still supporting Biden, after bashing Trump for 4-years, needs a slap upside the head. They're both assholes as human beings but it's high time this woke crap goes away. We've not all been walking around in a universal stupor all these decades. That's different than the stupidity you're referring to.

Just want to chim in as an Independent on this woke idea. "Woke" is/was slang for wake up; used to get liberals motivated into the political sphere more than a decade ago. Actually, "Woke" as a slang word is already out of date. Using Woke in language today, would be like using the term Groovy in the early 80's. You missed the moment. But to my point. The Conservatives new campaign strategy/slogan is the "Wake Up" campaign. I find it sadly ironic Aand comical that the Conservatives are literally attempting to get there base "Woke" for the next election cycle.
 
Best line I have read all day - "They [USWNT] are tactically unsophisticated and technically insufficient relative to their European peers. A defective youth pipeline has left them woefully unprepared for the international stage. "

I don't know that is necessarily the youthful players on the team that are struggling?
 
Just want to chim in as an Independent on this woke idea. "Woke" is/was slang for wake up; used to get liberals motivated into the political sphere more than a decade ago. Actually, "Woke" as a slang word is already out of date. Using Woke in language today, would be like using the term Groovy in the early 80's. You missed the moment. But to my point. The Conservatives new campaign strategy/slogan is the "Wake Up" campaign. I find it sadly ironic Aand comical that the Conservatives are literally attempting to get there base "Woke" for the next election cycle.

If a voter can't see what a dirty, worthless piece of shit Joe Biden is, there's no amount of waking up possible. What's more disturbing is the Dems no longer have a decent candidate. At least not one I've seen. Tulsi Gabbard needed some maturing but they chased her away.
 
I agree with the chaos statement.

It all depends on the goals of the Coach and the Athletics Department at the College. Is the team, coach, and department playing to win? Some are some aren't. Is the college playing in a highly competitive league? Some are some aren't. Unfortunately, colleges aren't professional teams and motivation can come in many forms. Maybe the motivation is to keep the parent happy that just donated a new gym for the school. Maybe the school of Mathematics and Sciences needs to expand + the only place available is the soccer fields. If the soccer team isn't winning + doesn't have student engagement / attendance + if they don't start winning soon they'll be playing/practicing 3 miles off campus in a local park.

Whatever the motivation if there's pressure to win in the short term and the current players aren't working out coaches have 2 options, freshman recruits, and transfer portal players. Freshman recruits are a crapshoot outside of 10ish clubs (who everyone is recruiting). Transfer Portal players are older, more mature, and a known commodity.

Which would you choose (in the short term) if your job was on the line? All untested freshman? All older Transfer Portal players? Or, a mix of both + see how things turn out when you get them on the field together. Most people would choose to bring on a mix of both to see what's possible.

BTW while everything above is true about College Athletics it's also 100% the reason the USWNT is having problems. In other countries talent goes to Academies from age 16ish on + coaches work on all aspects of the game with players. Those that show promise move on everyone else gets dumped. Over time this type of environment will identify more talent + train them to a higher level (at a younger age) than any college in the US can.

Good stuff. My kid really liked ASU but I don't believe Graham knows there are American players to draw from. The record suggests your point.
 
If a voter can't see what a dirty, worthless piece of shit Joe Biden is, there's no amount of waking up possible. What's more disturbing is the Dems no longer have a decent candidate. At least not one I've seen. Tulsi Gabbard needed some maturing but they chased her aw
I see you just joined us in February. But, please keep the politics in the other thread. Thanks.
 
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