Why not Great Park?

timbuck

timbuck

Seems that a lot of Spring games are being played in Oceanside or Norco. This is when the home team isn't able to use their usual fields, so the league(s) work with Silverlakes or So Cal Complex.
I certainly appreciate that we are not having to drive to Arizona or Vegas.

But why aren't more games being played at Great Park?
 
There are a lot of games at OCGP. HS games throughout the week and lots of club games on the weekends. When we've been there on the weekends the last couple months it's been packed.
 
RJonesUSC said:
There are a lot of games at OCGP. HS games throughout the week and lots of club games on the weekends. When we've been there on the weekends the last couple months it's been packed.
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Definitely lots of games are being played at GP If the home team has it as one of their fields- they schedule them there.
But if the home team's fields aren't available (which is happening a bit more this Spring due to so many sports being having their leagues running at the same time) - SCDSL (probably other leagues too) schedule games in Oceanside or Silverlakes.
Why hasn't SCDSL been able to leverage Great Park fields?
 
timbuck said:
Definitely lots of games are being played at GP If the home team has it as one of their fields- they schedule them there.
But if the home team's fields aren't available (which is happening a bit more this Spring due to so many sports being having their leagues running at the same time) - SCDSL (probably other leagues too) schedule games in Oceanside or Silverlakes.
Why hasn't SCDSL been able to leverage Great Park fields?
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Sounds to me like the point RJones was making is that most of the fields are taken....
 
Kicker4Life said:
Sounds to me like the point RJones was making is that most of the fields are taken....
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Just that it's been packed when I've been there. I have some some friend's teams that usually play locally (OC) playing almost all of their games at Silverlakes. And other friends kids teams that are SCDSL haven't had one game at OCGP yet - but then again I don't know if that's the norm currently. Hard to say there's any real norm nowadays unfortunately. Either way, it's good to see the fields packed with youth sports as we're driving around on the weekends.
 
I'm at Great Park almost every weekend. From what I've seen all the games on the turf fields are ECNL. I'm not sure about grass, but it seems like clubs with access to OCGP are prioritizing their ENCL teams (both boys and girls) at that location.
 
timbuck said:
Seems that a lot of Spring games are being played in Oceanside or Norco. This is when the home team isn't able to use their usual fields, so the league(s) work with Silverlakes or So Cal Complex.
I certainly appreciate that we are not having to drive to Arizona or Vegas.

But why aren't more games being played at Great Park?
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Simple answer would be: SCDSL don't have GP. They do have contracts with Oceanside and Silverlakes.
 
And I'm only complaining because traffic to Oceanside was awful on Saturday. Should take about 45 minutes but took an hour and 20. And had to pay $8.00 for parking.
Great park is closer and parking is free.
 
timbuck said:
And I'm only complaining because traffic to Oceanside was awful on Saturday. Should take about 45 minutes but took an hour and 20. And had to pay $8.00 for parking.
Great park is closer and parking is free.
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The dreadful drive down South on da 5 frwy is depressing. What a waste of time. I knew something was up. All these OC folks are being diverted to Oceanside, Del Mar or worse, Vegas. No home games for the home team. I went to Palomar Mountain off 76 two weeks ago. On my way back, the drive from San Clemente to 76 looked like pure misery. The only cool thing about that drive is watching the Marines and Navy Seals kicking ass :)
 
Supply, demand, and field allocations or not.

A bunch of clubs don't have there traditional local home fields this go around so they either use their league to secure fields or contact out to the complexes. Some are not even able to get any or much due to demand so they basically play away games mostly where they can get them.

LAFC & LAUFA are playing all the way @ Galloway in Temecula for example which is a crazy 100mile+ drive for many with so so horse fields, I would take Oside over that any day of the week.

Take it where you can get it type deal which often comes down to the larger complexes like silverlakes, Oside, Del mar, etc.
 
lafalafa said:
Supply, demand, and field allocations or not.

A bunch of clubs don't have there traditional local home fields this go around so they either use their league to secure fields or contact out to the complexes. Some are not even able to get any or much due to demand so they basically play away games mostly where they can get them.

LAFC & LAUFA are playing all the way @ Galloway in Temecula for example which is a crazy 100mile+ drive for many with so so horse fields, I would take Oside over that any day of the week.

Take it where you can get it type deal which often comes down to the larger complexes like silverlakes, Oside, Del mar, etc.
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I saw Santa Barbara playing TFA... AT. GALWAY. IN. TEMECULA. for a league game. That's bonkers. That had to be a 4 hour plus drive for SB.
 
Supply/demand is a big issue with so many fields unavailable but this kind of crazy traveling is just another reminder of the complete lunacy of the number and structure of leagues in SoCal. It could be fixed tomorrow with some dialogue and sense but we know it won't be so we all just continue on the hamster wheel. ;)
 
Paul Spacey said:
Supply/demand is a big issue with so many fields unavailable but this kind of crazy traveling is just another reminder of the complete lunacy of the number and structure of leagues in SoCal. It could be fixed tomorrow with some dialogue and sense but we know it won't be so we all just continue on the hamster wheel. ;)
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Right? At the very least, it would be great if clubs would cooperate with other local clubs and let them use field space that is going unused. At least for the Spring season as we come out of the nightmare of lockdown.
But - A club with field space is more valuable than anything. If you can squeeze a smaller club out because they have to drive 3 hours for a league game- You can either grab their players for the upcoming season or you can "Affiliate" the entire club into your uniforms.
 
timbuck said:
Right? At the very least, it would be great if clubs would cooperate with other local clubs and let them use field space that is going unused. At least for the Spring season as we come out of the nightmare of lockdown.
But - A club with field space is more valuable than anything. If you can squeeze a smaller club out because they have to drive 3 hours for a league game- You can either grab their players for the upcoming season or you can "Affiliate" the entire club into your uniforms.
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Some clubs got fields some don't and life is not fair, is it? Or is it? I was snucklerd by one top club telling me if you don't got no fields, your club will be toast. That was four years ago. Talk about Mr Have Fields and Mr Haveno Fields. Plus some give out free rides just because. This whole season needs to be booted out of here and we should all just get ready for next season. Let the girls focus on HSS and their grades. Stop with all this travel all over the country or never be seen by the scouts.
 
crush said:
Some clubs got fields some don't and life is not fair, is it? Or is it? I was snucklerd by one top club telling me if you don't got no fields, your club will be toast. That was four years ago. Talk about Mr Have Fields and Mr Haveno Fields. Plus some give out free rides just because. This whole season needs to be booted out of here and we should all just get ready for next season. Let the girls focus on HSS and their grades. Stop with all this travel all over the country or never be seen by the scouts.
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At least we didnt travel to Florida this past weekend and miss 3 days of school (not that school matters this year either).
 
crush said:
Some clubs got fields some don't and life is not fair, is it? Or is it? I was snucklerd by one top club telling me if you don't got no fields, your club will be toast. That was four years ago. Talk about Mr Have Fields and Mr Haveno Fields. Plus some give out free rides just because. This whole season needs to be booted out of here and we should all just get ready for next season. Let the girls focus on HSS and their grades. Stop with all this travel all over the country or never be seen by the scouts.
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Where is a demand there is a supply. If parents would just say f.. it, we wouldn't have all those issues.
 
Eagle33 said:
Where is a demand there is a supply. If parents would just say f.. it, we wouldn't have all those issues.
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I know Eagle. I tried this three years ago and you saw them attack the messenger. The biggest ass in this business told me I better not leave or say shit about this and that or my dd will be labeled a club hopper and will be blacklisted bro. That is so wrong to do to a 14 year old who worked her ass off ((with her teammates)) only to be denied access just because. Karma is here :)
 
Here is my guess as to why Great Park isn't part of the mix-
So Cal and Silverlakes probably gave better pricing to SCDSL to have their games there. But these venues made up the difference by charging for parking. Great Park would have been more expensive for the league to schedule games that were paid for by the league (and not paid for by a clubs home team permit). How much more expensive? I have no idea.
SCDSL saved themselves money. Can't fault them for looking at the economics of it all. Especially not knowing when we would be able to play again. Im sure the rebrand from SCDSL to SoCal isn't free.

"It's all about the kids!!!".

I do commend everyone involved for getting the league up and running this year.
 
Our San Diego club has plenty of home field space within a 10 minute drive of most of our players. For our home games against OC clubs we rent fields at Socal Complex so you all don't have to drive the extra 30 minutes down to San Diego ... Your welcome.
 
timbuck said:
Here is my guess as to why Great Park isn't part of the mix-
So Cal and Silverlakes probably gave better pricing to SCDSL to have their games there. But these venues made up the difference by charging for parking. Great Park would have been more expensive for the league to schedule games that were paid for by the league (and not paid for by a clubs home team permit). How much more expensive? I have no idea.
SCDSL saved themselves money. Can't fault them for looking at the economics of it all. Especially not knowing when we would be able to play again. Im sure the rebrand from SCDSL to SoCal isn't free.

"It's all about the kids!!!".

I do commend everyone involved for getting the league up and running this year.
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The reason is Great Park is managed by the City of Irvine. There is no league agreements to be had. The try to be Fair to everyone. But mostly only serve Irvine based clubs with residency requirements. SCDSL and CSL would love to have an agreement with the Great Park. They (City of Irvine) won't do it.

Silverlakes and So Cal will make agreements to fill their complex. They prefer to rent large amounts of field space, not one offs like the Great Park.
 
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