Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

[wc_baller]

I just did a count of W Europe. 176k deaths. That is not by a factor of 9.

If we look at deaths in just the 5 countries you mentioned they have 147k deaths. So no they are not beating us by a factor of 9. Yes I know you are using a specific day. But since this thing has run over the course of 7 plus months now, look at the full data.

The US is actually at 331 million. So if you add in another euro country to get to about the same number lets say Belgium. Add in another 10k deaths. If you prefer a slightly smaller country use Sweden and add in 6k. Now you are in the 150k+ area.

176k deaths in Western Europe. US 195k deaths.

So no Europe didn't nail the response to the virus.

You can look up deaths and population all in one place on this site. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386

Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596

USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.

Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.

 

[Soccerhelper]

OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386

Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596

USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.

Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.

Question Baller. How are the Euro's counting deaths? Whats the age of the deaths in Euro? We had huge older folks death in NY, PA, NJ and CA. I'm interested in those numbers. Any death sucks in my book and if we could all do better with how we eat and exercise, it would make a world of difference. Stay safe bro

 

[Jose has returned]

OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386

Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596

USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.

Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.

they dont have rioters out there every week spreading it. The US death per 1 million population is behind The
UK Spain and Belgium and other South American countries.

 

[Desert Hound]

OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386

Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596

USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.

Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.

Your death numbers for europe are off. Where are you getting them?

 

[Desert Hound]

Your death numbers for europe are off. Where are you getting them?

Actually let me restate.

What countries are you counting?

 

[Anon9]

Actually let me restate.

What countries are you counting?

What countries are you leaving out is more like it!

 

[Jose has returned]

Actually let me restate.

What countries are you counting?

i think he's counting the ones that fit into his math equation

 

[Giesbock]

@wc-baller, I’m afraid you are up against an impenetrable wall of deniers. Know that old trope of three monkeys sitting side by side? One with hands over eyes, the next with hands over ears and third with hands over mouth?

that’s the wall of ignorance and bias that you’re up against.
We are truly mired in the shit due to t not coming clean.

ps. If I get tossed for a week by @Dominic, then so be it...

 

[El Clasico]

OK. If you want to use total deaths as the measure, we can do that. Using the numbers from your link above:
Total COVID deaths in Western Europe - 140,146
Total Population of Western Europe - 363,494,99
COVID deaths per million in Western Europe - 386

Total COVID deaths in USA - 197,351
Total Population of USA - 331,000,200
COVID deaths per million in USA - 596

USA has 57% more total COVID deaths per capita than Western Europe. Europe responded significantly better.

Yesterday USA had a total of 1089 deaths, while Western Europe had only 132. The gap in deaths between the two gets significantly larger daily, and each day the difference in the quality of responses between the two becomes more apparent.

Where are you getting your figures for the population of western europe? Which countries are you counting in your count? I think your count is waaaay off?

 

[Jose has returned]

@wc-baller, I’m afraid you are up against an impenetrable wall of deniers. Know that old trope of three monkeys sitting side by side? One with hands over eyes, the next with hands over ears and third with hands over mouth?

that’s the wall of ignorance and bias that you’re up against.
We are truly mired in the shit due to t not coming clean.

ps. If I get tossed for a week by @Dominic, then so be it...

I don't think you should get banned but what you should do is show the numbers that back up your statement. That's where things get dicey for you.

 

[wc_baller]

i think he's counting the ones that fit into his math equation

Where are you getting your figures for the population of western europe? Which countries are you counting in your count? I think your count is waaaay off?

See below. Let me know if/where I got a number wrong or if you'd like me to add another country. Happy to adjust and recalculate.

	Population	COVID deaths	deaths yesterday	Deaths per million
Austria	9006000​	750​	1​
Belgium	11589000​	9917​	5​
Denmark	5792000​	629​	1​
Finland	5540000​	332​	0​
France	65237000​	30893​	19​
Germany	83783000​	9423​	9​
Greece	10423000​	300​	4​
Iceland	341000​	10​	0​
Ireland	4937000​	211​	0​
Liechtenstein	38000​	0​	0​
Luxembourg	625000​	71​	0​
Monaco	39000​	1​	0​
Netherlands	17134000​	6252​	3​
Norway	5421000​	265​	1​
Portugal	10196000​	1855​	3​
Spain	46754000​	29747​	71​
Sweden	10099000​	5846​	0​
Switzerland	8654000​	2020​	1​
United Kingdom	67886000​	41614​	14​
	363494000​	140136​	132​	385.5249​

 

[wc_baller]

@wc-baller, I’m afraid you are up against an impenetrable wall of deniers. Know that old trope of three monkeys sitting side by side? One with hands over eyes, the next with hands over ears and third with hands over mouth?

that’s the wall of ignorance and bias that you’re up against.
We are truly mired in the shit due to t not coming clean.

ps. If I get tossed for a week by @Dominic, then so be it...

You're probably right that it's useless to try to make a fact based argument with those types. That ignorance is the reason us Americans are unwelcome in 95% of the world as of now, and I don't blame those other countries for banning us.

 

[Giesbock]

Thanks for the added population details. I hear Croatia is accepting US visitors. Beautiful country that’s taking the chance to build some tourism market share...

 

[Desert Hound]

See below. Let me know if/where I got a number wrong or if you'd like me to add another country. Happy to adjust and recalculate.

	Population	COVID deaths	deaths yesterday	Deaths per million
Austria	9006000​	750​	1​
Belgium	11589000​	9917​	5​
Denmark	5792000​	629​	1​
Finland	5540000​	332​	0​
France	65237000​	30893​	19​
Germany	83783000​	9423​	9​
Greece	10423000​	300​	4​
Iceland	341000​	10​	0​
Ireland	4937000​	211​	0​
Liechtenstein	38000​	0​	0​
Luxembourg	625000​	71​	0​
Monaco	39000​	1​	0​
Netherlands	17134000​	6252​	3​
Norway	5421000​	265​	1​
Portugal	10196000​	1855​	3​
Spain	46754000​	29747​	71​
Sweden	10099000​	5846​	0​
Switzerland	8654000​	2020​	1​
United Kingdom	67886000​	41614​	14​
	363494000​	140136​	132​	385.5249​

Add in Italy for starters.

That is another 35-36k.

Brings w europe to 176k give or take.

 

[wc_baller]

Add in Italy for starters.

That is another 35-36k.

Brings w europe to 176k give or take.

Thanks. Anything else?

That makes Western Europe deaths per million - 414 vs. 596 USA deaths per million

USA deaths per million are 44% more than Western Europe.

1098 COVID deaths yesterday in the USA versus 142 COVID deaths in Western Europe.

	Population	COVID deaths	deaths yesterday
Austria	9006000​	750​	1​
Belgium	11589000​	9917​	5​
Denmark	5792000​	629​	1​
Finland	5540000​	332​	0​
France	65237000​	30893​	19​
Germany	83783000​	9423​	9​
Greece	10423000​	300​	4​
Iceland	341000​	10​	0​
Ireland	4937000​	211​	0​
Italy	60461000​	35597​	10​
Liechtenstein	38000​	0​	0​
Luxembourg	625000​	71​	0​
Monaco	39000​	1​	0​
Netherlands	17134000​	6252​	3​
Norway	5421000​	265​	1​
Portugal	10196000​	1855​	3​
Spain	46754000​	29747​	71​
Sweden	10099000​	5846​	0​
Switzerland	8654000​	2020​	1​
United Kingdom	67886000​	41614​	14​
	423955000​	175733​	142​	414.5086​

 

[El Clasico]

See below. Let me know if/where I got a number wrong or if you'd like me to add another country. Happy to adjust and recalculate.

	Population	COVID deaths	deaths yesterday	Deaths per million
Austria	9006000​	750​	1​
Belgium	11589000​	9917​	5​
Denmark	5792000​	629​	1​
Finland	5540000​	332​	0​
France	65237000​	30893​	19​
Germany	83783000​	9423​	9​
Greece	10423000​	300​	4​
Iceland	341000​	10​	0​
Ireland	4937000​	211​	0​
Liechtenstein	38000​	0​	0​
Luxembourg	625000​	71​	0​
Monaco	39000​	1​	0​
Netherlands	17134000​	6252​	3​
Norway	5421000​	265​	1​
Portugal	10196000​	1855​	3​
Spain	46754000​	29747​	71​
Sweden	10099000​	5846​	0​
Switzerland	8654000​	2020​	1​
United Kingdom	67886000​	41614​	14​
	363494000​	140136​	132​	385.5249​

Not arguing with any stats here but this is how everyone manages to find the stats that fit their own narratives. Less than half of these countries are actually in "Western Europe". Europe is, by most, broken up into four different geographical areas. North, South, West, East.

However, most northern Europeans don't consider themselves northern Europeans. Iceland considers itself Iceland, United Kingdom considers itself a closed unity, Ireland definitely considers itself a lone wolf and Denmark, Norway, Finland & Sweden tend to look at themselves as Scandinavian's. Greece is considered Southern Europe. It is interesting that whoever created your graph snuck in Greece but knew to leave out Italy?

So just for curiosity sake, only take the nine countries of "western Europe" and see if it changes the results. And then if you like add ALL countries of a combined Europe but one shouldn't hand select random countries and call it representative.

 

[Jose has returned]

See below. Let me know if/where I got a number wrong or if you'd like me to add another country. Happy to adjust and recalculate.

	Population	COVID deaths	deaths yesterday	Deaths per million
Austria	9006000​	750​	1​
Belgium	11589000​	9917​	5​
Denmark	5792000​	629​	1​
Finland	5540000​	332​	0​
France	65237000​	30893​	19​
Germany	83783000​	9423​	9​
Greece	10423000​	300​	4​
Iceland	341000​	10​	0​
Ireland	4937000​	211​	0​
Liechtenstein	38000​	0​	0​
Luxembourg	625000​	71​	0​
Monaco	39000​	1​	0​
Netherlands	17134000​	6252​	3​
Norway	5421000​	265​	1​
Portugal	10196000​	1855​	3​
Spain	46754000​	29747​	71​
Sweden	10099000​	5846​	0​
Switzerland	8654000​	2020​	1​
United Kingdom	67886000​	41614​	14​
	363494000​	140136​	132​	385.5249​

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries 211,968 deaths

 

[JumboJack]

China had 85,000 cases. Okaaaay.

 

[wc_baller]

Not arguing with any stats here but this is how everyone manages to find the stats that fit their own narratives. Less than half of these countries are actually in "Western Europe". Europe is, by most, broken up into four different geographical areas. North, South, West, East.

However, most northern Europeans don't consider themselves northern Europeans. Iceland considers itself Iceland, United Kingdom considers itself a closed unity, Ireland definitely considers itself a lone wolf and Denmark, Norway, Finland & Sweden tend to look at themselves as Scandinavian's. Greece is considered Southern Europe. It is interesting that whoever created your graph snuck in Greece but knew to leave out Italy?

So just for curiosity sake, only take the nine countries of "western Europe" and see if it changes the results. And then if you like add ALL countries of a combined Europe but one shouldn't hand select random countries and call it representative.

Which 9 countries? There are different lists for Western Europe. For example, the CIA list only has the following countries for Western Europe.
Belgium
France
Ireland
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
United Kingdom

More than willing to do a quick calculation if you give me the list, and happy to make corrections if anyone finds any mistakes on a calculation as I did with the last one. The initial list took me all of 5 minutes the first time, so no problem for me.

 

[El Clasico]

Which 9 countries? There are different lists for Western Europe. For example, the CIA list only has the following countries for Western Europe.
Belgium
France
Ireland
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
United Kingdom

More than willing to do a quick calculation if you give me the list, and happy to make corrections if anyone finds any mistakes on a calculation as I did with the last one. The initial list took me all of 5 minutes the first time, so no problem for me.

Well, I told you which ones weren't so just subtract those and you are left with the 9

 

[Grace T.]

If you are making arbitrary comparisons you could take out the US states the foolishly mandated nursing homes take in coronavirus cases: NY, NJ, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Rhode Island. On the European side you'd take out Sweden.