Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

Yeah, spend the weekends driving to other states, it teaches your kid an important lesson: that as a parent you have failed to teach your kid to have a wide range of ideas and activities other than living your pipe dream of being a successful athlete.
Orrrrr...hear me out. You are teaching them, if there is a barrier in your way find a way to get by it.
 
There lies the rub. To some, there is minimal, if any economic impact. To many, the impact is tragic, immediate with the future looking even worse.. Those that have children and are in the tragic and immediate category, pass that on to their kids.

I didn't say that I had no impact. My 11 year old is starting middle school online. Math is key in our household and middle school is a key rung in the math ladder. My 22 year old is definitely impacted and she won't be coming back home until sometime in May. Any way that you slice it I wouldn't put my kid at risk. My 22 year old is fortunate enough to get to play soccer in a bubble and gets tested 2-3 times a week for COVID but that isn't the case in youth or even college soccer.

Continued good fortune to you and your player.
 
I think my kid is officially a skater now! Half of the week, we go to Berkeley skate park and the other half we go to Benicia skate park.

I’ve watched Benicia Arsenal practice and I’m not sure what team is practicing in Berkeley but both practices look pathetic and not very beneficial.

This upcoming weekend, my kid and I are gonna do the 40 mile Mt. Diablo bike ride.
My DD is asking for a skateboard. I think I’ll get her one. Maybe I’ll get one too. What’s the worst that could happen?
 
The government is NOT providing current stimulus money and stopped providing it July 25 in California.

Are people not taking vacations because of shut downs or because of fear? You can stay in any hotel you want right now. People are not vacationing because of fear of the illness not because they are prevented from doing it. That shows we are better off to decrease the spread so that people aren't fearful to travel and get their life back to normal.
I would argue some people are not taking vacations because of the rules and restrictions at hotels, resorts, towns make it very unattractive to pay for travel.
 

This is a really solid and cogent article. It is absolutely, positively critical to know what other factors contribute to people dying of Covid so that we can better target efforts to reducing risks for people in those higher risk categories who are likely to die from it. This saves lives not only for those who get C19, but for many other reasons as well.

Unfortunately, you have irresponsible, uneducated complete dumbs**ts like @MSK357 who misrepresent a hugely important process to falsely claim that it proves no one is dying of C19. Maybe he believes it, but probably he’s doing this only because he’s humiliated that he predicted 15, then 40, then 100, then no more deaths than 12,000, then no more than 60,000 followed by absolutely positively never in the hundreds of thousands. Regardless, think about it. We have an idiot who is trying to tear down and misrepresent basic processes that are critical to saving lives because he’s embarrassed and too much of a p**sy to admit that he’s wrong, and wrong, and wrong, and wrong, and then wrong again.

In fact, @MSK357’s argument is so ridiculously stupid in its face that it is hard to believe anyone supports it. Consider, for example, the death certificate that lists covid, heart disease and obesity as causes of death. By his insane logic, they didn’t die of covid because it was heart disease and obesity. But that also means they didn’t die of heart disease because they died of the other two. And they also didn’t die from obesity because they died of the other two.

The type of anti-science b.s. that folks like @MSK357 spew should be mocked at every possible opportunity. Very few, but still too many, people read and accept stupid posts like his and refuse to put in the effort necessary to read or understand actual science, or political reasoning, or anything on a subject by those who actually know what they’re talking about. They need to be humiliated over and over again until it is very clear that they need to keep their unthoughtful s**t anonymous, and are driven back under their little rocks and other dark places where cockroaches congregate.

Thank you for posting this article. I’m sure we won’t see any legitimate article from @MSK357 in response.
 
My DD is asking for a skateboard. I think I’ll get her one. Maybe I’ll get one too. What’s the worst that could happen?
My daughter asked her dad for a skateboard and I've never seen him happier. They spent a lot of time picking it out. He's been talking about his skater days again and what he was able to do. Hope he doesn't try those moves.
 
The government is NOT providing current stimulus money and stopped providing it July 25 in California.

Are people not taking vacations because of shut downs or because of fear? You can stay in any hotel you want right now. People are not vacationing because of fear of the illness not because they are prevented from doing it. That shows we are better off to decrease the spread so that people aren't fearful to travel and get their life back to normal.

I was in CA a month ago, Tahoe packed to the brim, no vacancy. We were lucky that we planned this trip pre covid.

On our way out, we tried to book a place closer to the bay area, hotels told us unless we were "essential" we couldn't be paying customers. They were 100% restricting occupancy. We took our business somewhere else.

Occupancy wasn't exactly high, probably due to the fear you mention above.
 
I don't think paying to play soccer is worth the risk especially with no testing protocols, no bubble, everybody having different priorities, etc.
I am curios as to what you think the risk actually is for someone under 24?

As of now we have 330 people nationwide who have died due to covid who are under 24.

When I see just 330 deaths in that age group...it seems safe to say they do not have any real risk. How do you look at that number and think it seems risky?

I will just take your response and leave it at that...not looking to go back and forth. Just curious.
 
We are moving to 2 soccer practices a week (COVID practicing) as we have been doing all summer. Since there's no soccer, I am just doing some indoor for my kid. Just get a few of the same parents to get together at a park once a week to play. Basketball and cycling is also becoming a priority in our family.
 
The government is NOT providing current stimulus money and stopped providing it July 25 in California.

Are people not taking vacations because of shut downs or because of fear? You can stay in any hotel you want right now. People are not vacationing because of fear of the illness not because they are prevented from doing it. That shows we are better off to decrease the spread so that people aren't fearful to travel and get their life back to normal.
On a side note....I just finished our annual trip to South Carlsbad where we rent a trailer and have it delivered to the campsite. I spoke to the owner and he said business is booming right now. Sales and rentals of trailers are sky high right now which also has a trickle down impact on employment (i.e. manufacturing, sales, delivery personnel). Where one market segment has decreased, another has increased.
 
So one company hiring people is your proof? In real economic terms that data point would be plotted on it’s own - aka an “outlier”. My business deals in the construction business, deals with all types of trades, local governments, national accounts of big corps and educational institutions. You have absolutely zero idea of what you are talking about.

if you were to follow various market trends (we are not one giant market but one often affects the other) you would see a ton of bad markets. It would take pages for me to break them down and show what is going on - it’s not an overall positive situation.Given we are locked down, we are for the most part in CA, you get resources the best/fastest/safest/whatever way possible - for most it is online shopping. That is a forced condition, and won’t even get in to what will most likely occur next year. In the meantime stores, restaurants, gyms have closed - many are not going to reopen. I think many of us know people who have lost companies, lost their jobs, lost the ability to pay rent and even feed their families. I have posted about this previously in this topic.
The construction market has slowed down after being on absolute fire. Schools/institutions pushed jobs up while kids are at home - but nothing has taken up the holes in the construction timelines they are leaving behind. Tenant Improvements are on hold or even lost due to uncertainty and building being burnt/damaged/looted. The small businesses, who many just dismiss, make a big impact on construction as a whole. If small business is gone, they no longer need insurance, paying city taxes, paying payroll taxes, renting space, etc. Now the same goes for sports related markets - insurance for coaches, fields, maintenance, etc. Most people just look at the economy or shuts down superficially. Anything being closed, even partially is a BIG disruption to the economy - especially locally. A lot of people rely on things being open, such as schools - not everyone who works, or earns income through schools, has a guaranteed pay check

But the stock market is breaking records, we have a V shaped recovery, and just wait till the next quarter where we’ll have the best economy in the history of the world.
 
I was in CA a month ago, Tahoe packed to the brim, no vacancy. We were lucky that we planned this trip pre covid.

On our way out, we tried to book a place closer to the bay area, hotels told us unless we were "essential" we couldn't be paying customers. They were 100% restricting occupancy. We took our business somewhere else.

Occupancy wasn't exactly high, probably due to the fear you mention above.
My brother was in Tahoe last weekend for work and said it was packed!
 
My DD is asking for a skateboard. I think I’ll get her one. Maybe I’ll get one too. What’s the worst that could happen?
This makes more sense than you are admitting. DD here asked for a new bike. Got her one and the whole house has been happier.

Have fun skating. Don’t forget the helmets.
 
I would argue some people are not taking vacations because of the rules and restrictions at hotels, resorts, towns make it very unattractive to pay for travel.
Owning a travel company I can tell you this is very true. Even more so if the focus is on travel outside the US.
 
Are people not taking vacations because of shut downs or because of fear? You can stay in any hotel you want right now. People are not vacationing because of fear of the illness not because they are prevented from doing it. That shows we are better off to decrease the spread so that people aren't fearful to travel and get their life back to normal.

People aren't vacationing not only because of fear, but because when you get somewhere there's nothing to do. Places like Park City are busy though and while things like the ropes course are closed, others like the alpine slide or the lakes are open and busy. Bestie is in Idaho and has a similar experience. Camp grounds in the Wasatch Mountains have been full.

Can't go to Hawaii. 14 day quarantine....unless you use a service or have a friend get your groceries it's impossible to even get settled. Hawaii has trashed its economy and still has a COVID problem. Other places like New Mexico and New York have quarantines too. Given the civil unrest it's not like people are beating down the doors to get New York City, San Francisco or Portland.

Yes, it's affected things. The House of Mouse is down too in attendance and is restricting hours. But from what we know, young adults are still going to Disney World. It's the families which are absent. Yes, some people are kept away because maybe a theme park isn't the best place to be right now, particularly if you are vulnerable. But also the families don't want to argue with the 7 year old about keeping a mask on all day, and why make the trip of a lifetime if they can't even meet Mickey?

And obviously because of travel bans Europe is off the table. Large corps are going to have a problem post-vaccine. Lots of employees will want to have time off for delayed vacations or obligations (like weddings).
 
On a side note....I just finished our annual trip to South Carlsbad where we rent a trailer and have it delivered to the campsite. I spoke to the owner and he said business is booming right now. Sales and rentals of trailers are sky high right now which also has a trickle down impact on employment (i.e. manufacturing, sales, delivery personnel). Where one market segment has decreased, another has increased.
Tell that to the 10,000+ employees of Marriott that are furloughed. Just because you can stay in a hotel does not mean that they are at full employment. Agree to disagree but I’m working with facts and you “experiences”......have a nice day
 
I didn't say that I had no impact. My 11 year old is starting middle school online. Math is key in our household and middle school is a key rung in the math ladder. My 22 year old is definitely impacted and she won't be coming back home until sometime in May. Any way that you slice it I wouldn't put my kid at risk. My 22 year old is fortunate enough to get to play soccer in a bubble and gets tested 2-3 times a week for COVID but that isn't the case in youth or even college soccer.

Continued good fortune to you and your player.


Maybe I am just naive because there has been no economic impact to me other than my wife doesn't go out of town at least once a month (which I like)

I was just responding to this portion of your post.
 
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