Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

[Dargle]

Wondering how many died due to Obesity and COVID. 40%+ of Americans are considered obese (BMI of higher than 30 - doesnt take much to be obese according to the BMI calculator). I am sure the data is out there.

This will really tell us if COVID is killing the average obese american or mostly other serious underlying conditions. The irony is that we are not allowing our kids to play sports which basically is a way to fight the obesity problem in america.

Obesity Increases Your Risk of Dying From COVID-19 by Almost 50 Percent

Experts explain why obesity makes it harder to fight off COVID.

www.yahoo.com

As of the week ending 8/22, 5,614 of the deaths from COVID list obesity as a contributing cause on the death certificate according to the CDC. The "cause of death" data, though, is all over the place and obesity is such a non-specific condition that it's not surprising it doesn't show up much. Obesity is considered a risk factor for quite a few illnesses, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, etc., which are more likely to be listed on death certificates.

By far, the most common contributing factors listed on death certificates are influenza/pneumonia (68,004) and respiratory failure (54,803), both of which COVID causes, makes people more susceptible to getting, or makes more likely to lead to death for those who have it. That's why the CDC "6% COVID-only" stat is pretty meaningless. That's just the people who die where the death certificate doesn't list anything else because the heart just stopped beating without any obvious symptom causing that.

 

[EOTL]

Even if they die of cancer, heart disease, heck in an accident, and they happen to test positive they are counted. You are fooling yourself. Just like when you said NY is the perfect example to follow on Covid. Their strategy was to kill off all the vulnerable up front, then nobody would die later. Good job! You’re an ass and an idiot.

NY killed off all its old people intentionally! Except none of them actually died of Covid. They all actually died of cancer and heart disease, but NY is lying about it. It’s a double super secret conspiracy!

And now CA is prohibiting kids from playing youth soccer and adults from going to bars because there’s no better way to secure future votes and maintain their stranglehold on the statehouse. Everyone is conspiring against @Anon9!

A lot of people died in NY early for a combination of reasons, not that you care about reality. It was the first to get hit, and before anyone here understood how dangerous it was, how virulent it was, who was going to die from it, and what could be done to treat it or even prevent spread. At the time, we were all wiping things down and washing our hands. Population density, of course, also contributed to the problem. Outside of NYC, in the rest of the state, the fatality rate is pretty low and, unlike many other states that should have learned something from NYC’s experience, no one is dying. It is inexcusable that anyone can look at what happened and conclude it’s fine to go back to business as usual, it’s all the fault of old people for going out unless we can blame it on a liberal governor. Hey, I’m gonna blame NY for not doing enough because covid is so dangerous, right up until I blame CA for doing something because Covid is no big deal. It makes so much sense.

 

[LASTMAN14]

As of the week ending 8/22, 5,614 of the deaths from COVID list obesity as a contributing cause on the death certificate according to the CDC. The "cause of death" data, though, is all over the place and obesity is such a non-specific condition that it's not surprising it doesn't show up much. Obesity is considered a risk factor for quite a few illnesses, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, etc., which are more likely to be listed on death certificates.

By far, the most common contributing factors listed on death certificates are influenza/pneumonia (68,004) and respiratory failure (54,803), both of which COVID causes, makes people more susceptible to getting, or makes more likely to lead to death for those who have it. That's why the CDC "6% COVID-only" stat is pretty meaningless. That's just the people who die where the death certificate doesn't list anything else because the heart just stopped beating without any obvious symptom causing that.

Not going to argue anyone's thoughts on Covid-19 or the current situation, but obesity is a far larger problem as it kills over 2 million people yearly across the globe.

 

[JumboJack]

NY killed off all its old people intentionally! Except none of them actually died of Covid. They all actually died of cancer and heart disease, but NY is lying about it. It’s a double super secret conspiracy!

And now CA is prohibiting kids from playing youth soccer and adults from going to bars because there’s no better way to secure future votes and maintain their stranglehold on the statehouse. Everyone is conspiring against @Anon9!

A lot of people died in NY early for a combination of reasons, not that you care about reality. It was the first to get hit, and before anyone here understood how dangerous it was, how virulent it was, who was going to die from it, and what could be done to treat it or even prevent spread. At the time, we were all wiping things down and washing our hands. Population density, of course, also contributed to the problem. Outside of NYC, in the rest of the state, the fatality rate is pretty low and, unlike many other states that should have learned something from NYC’s experience, no one is dying. It is inexcusable that anyone can look at what happened and conclude it’s fine to go back to business as usual, it’s all the fault of old people for going out unless we can blame it on a liberal governor. Hey, I’m gonna blame NY for not doing enough because covid is so dangerous, right up until I blame CA for doing something because Covid is no big deal. It makes so much sense.

It was a lot nicer around here when you took off a few days and hid in shame right after your idiotic NY comment.

 

[Woobie06]

It appears you have not been following what is happening in colleges across the country where students attempted to live the college life as if covid-19 did not exist.

Actually following very closely. There is a difference between contracting Covid, recovery, hospitalization, and death. Contracting Covid in this demographic appears to have a 99.9+% recovery rate if I have read the data correctly. If you do not believe what is happening is more motivated by party politics rather than science or what is best for kids than you are not paying attention. It’s very sad what is happening. Young people are bearing the lions share of the burden regarding this.

 

[EOTL]

It was a lot nicer around here when you took off a few days and hid in shame right after your idiotic NY comment.

Sorry not sorry that I’m not letting you make a youth soccer forum a safe space for your conspiracy theories. I keep telling you that 4Chan and Parler are more appropriate places for your kind.

You’ve only got four people here (plus two who are suspended) who support your conspiracy theories. I know you think that whining about it in one post after the next makes you think your nonsense has merit and that more than four people support you, but they don’t.

 

[espola]

Actually following very closely. There is a difference between contracting Covid, recovery, hospitalization, and death. Contracting Covid in this demographic appears to have a 99.9+% recovery rate if I have read the data correctly. If you do not believe what is happening is more motivated by party politics rather than science or what is best for kids than you are not paying attention. It’s very sad what is happening. Young people are bearing the lions share of the burden regarding this.

Which party is getting sick?

 

[MSK357]

Sorry not sorry that I’m not letting you make a youth soccer forum a safe space for your conspiracy theories. I keep telling you that 4Chan and Parler are more appropriate places for your kind.

You’ve only got four people here (plus two who are suspended) who support your conspiracy theories. I know you think that whining about it in one post after the next makes you think your nonsense has merit and that more than four people support you, but they don’t.

its not a conspiracy that cuomo and newsom put covid patients in nursing homes. Dumb move. even you should admit that.

 

[JumboJack]

Sorry not sorry that I’m not letting you make a youth soccer forum a safe space for your conspiracy theories. I keep telling you that 4Chan and Parler are more appropriate places for your kind.

You’ve only got four people here (plus two who are suspended) who support your conspiracy theories. I know you think that whining about it in one post after the next makes you think your nonsense has merit and that more than four people support you, but they don’t.

I don’t believe in any of the conspiracy theories . I only believe that you are a complete idiot to think NY did a good job with Covid. They did the absolute worst job. Unless you count being number one in deaths (by a long shot) a good thing.

 

[MSK357]

Which party is getting sick?

Apparently out of all parties less than 12,000 are dying from covid only. but im sure you dont believe in science anymore because it goes against your argument. lol.

 

[EOTL]

Actually following very closely. There is a difference between contracting Covid, recovery, hospitalization, and death. Contracting Covid in this demographic appears to have a 99.9+% recovery rate if I have read the data correctly. If you do not believe what is happening is more motivated by party politics rather than science or what is best for kids than you are not paying attention. It’s very sad what is happening. Young people are bearing the lions share of the burden regarding this.

At what rate do they spread it to people who they end up killing?

 

[Desert Hound]

It appears you have not been following what is happening in colleges across the country where students attempted to live the college life as if covid-19 did not exist.

It basically doesn't exist as a threat to them.

About 300 people nationwide under that age of 24 have died due to covid.

If you take a look at up to 34 yrs of age and under...about 1500 have died.

Colleges, high schools, elementary school age people have no real risk. They can run around, play sports, go to school, etc.

Look at that data.

Hell about 13500 people nationwide under 54 have died due to covid. Not terribly risky.

If you are old AND have serious health issues you have risks. Stay at home. If you live with others, then they need to stay away or not go out.

Pretty simple vs the idiocy of locking everything down.

 

[EOTL]

its not a conspiracy that cuomo and newsom put covid patients in nursing homes. Dumb move. even you should admit that.

Yes, in hindsight sending them back to nursing homes ended up being a worse idea than keeping them in hospitals which they were worried would be overwhelmed Sometimes you don’t always make the right decision in hindsight when you don’t know much about the disease, including how it is spread, how it is being spread, how many people are going to die, how packed hospitals are going to get, how many ventilators you will need or be able to get, how poorly nursing homes will give a s**t; and you underestimate how many dumbs**ts are perfectly ok spreading it to everyone around them including nursing home employees because they want to live vicariously through their daughter’s soccer and get a beer.l at the brewery.

I’m actually at the point that I’m glad to see all of you losing your minds. I’m glad an idiot who thinks it’s a great idea to risk transmitting it to others by traveling to a different state unnecessarily so their kids can play sports ends up seeing their kids in tears when they need to go back and risk spreading it even more, and that their health problems cannot be resolved because the pandemic takes priority. Unfortunately they’ll never figure out that they are the problem, but whatevs. If someone needs to suffer, it should be the people who are the problem.

 

[Anon9]

its not a conspiracy that cuomo and newsom put covid patients in nursing homes. Dumb move. even you should admit that.

Moving inmates from Chino Prison to St Quentin was another genius move. I guess now the head of prisons in California is retiring. All genius leaders that we should trust in these tough times.

 

[EOTL]

It basically doesn't exist as a threat to them.

About 300 people nationwide under that age of 24 have died due to covid.

If you take a look at up to 34 yrs of age and under...about 1500 have died.

Colleges, high schools, elementary school age people have no real risk. They can run around, play sports, go to school, etc.

Look at that data.

Hell about 13500 people nationwide under 54 have died due to covid. Not terribly risky.

If you are old AND have serious health issues you have risks. Stay at home. If you live with others, then they need to stay away or not go out.

Pretty simple vs the idiocy of locking everything down.

How many people did those under 24 end up killing? I know. 187,000 plus another 1,000 every day.

 

[Anon9]

How many people did those under 24 end up killing? I know. 187,000 plus another 1,000 every day.

Not more than Cuomo.

 

[MSK357]

Yes, in hindsight sending them back to nursing homes ended up being a worse idea than keeping them in hospitals which they were worried would be overwhelmed Sometimes you don’t always make the right decision in hindsight when you don’t know much about the disease, including how it is spread, how it is being spread, how many people are going to die, how packed hospitals are going to get, how many ventilators you will need or be able to get, how poorly nursing homes will give a s**t; and you underestimate how many dumbs**ts are perfectly ok spreading it to everyone around them including nursing home employees because they want to live vicariously through their daughter’s soccer and get a beer.l at the brewery.

I’m actually at the point that I’m glad to see all of you losing your minds. I’m glad an idiot who thinks it’s a great idea to risk transmitting it to others by traveling to a different state unnecessarily so their kids can play sports ends up seeing their kids in tears when they need to go back and risk spreading it even more, and that their health problems cannot be resolved because the pandemic takes priority. Unfortunately they’ll never figure out that they are the problem, but whatevs. If someone needs to suffer, it should be the people who are the problem.

i know youre not talking about me. Im totally comfortable with scared people losing out on training and living life. Totally ok with the scared people and their families falling behind. People that want to train and go out have never stopped. the chance of gavin pulling off another lockdown like we initially did is near 0. People are tired of it. Some of the most worried people have come around and are having their kids train and go out. you apparently will be one of the last ones to come around. Have fun with that lol.

 

[EOTL]

Moving inmates from Chino Prison to St Quentin was another genius move. I guess now the head of prisons in California is retiring. All genius leaders that we should trust in these tough times.

Look at this dude shedding crocodile tears over inmates but perfectly willing to kill the parents and grandparents of kids who play soccer, plus their coaches, school teachers, their parents’ co-workers, and for those who work in healthcare and at nursing homes, all of their patients/residents.

 

[JumboJack]

How many people did those under 24 end up killing? I know. 187,000 plus another 1,000 every day.

“If you are old AND have serious health issues you have risks. Stay at home. If you live with others, then they need to stay away or not go out.”

You truly are a fucking idiot if you can’t understand this concept.

 

[Woobie06]

At what rate do they spread it to people who they end up killing?

We have all had these conversations before. No need to re-hash, but happy to take it off-topic if you want to get into it. Bottom line is if your family unit contains at-risk individuals, manage interactions, and outings appropriately to limit your unit’s risk. If you are in a situation where you are not at-risk, you should absolutely have more latitude in what you are able to do.

Just because you can’t do something, does not mean I should not do something. The information I posted was to point out information provided by the CDC that shows ‘Covid Only’ deaths are a very low number, compared to the higher number than includes those with other factors and to highlight that kids/young adults are low risk.