Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

You do know most of that went to extra unemployment benefits, right?

Relevance? And technically not correct, the treasury has spent around 4 trillion in purchasing government securities. After that, I'm not sure how the stimulus part of it broke down between unemployment v. $1200 checks. So you may be right with respect to the stimulus part of it, but I think it's relatively close.

I mentioned the feds because he appeared to be throwing shade on California. And I'm not saying California does not warrant some shade. The point is that after having spent 7.4 trillion+ and counting, where only slightly better off than many months ago. If we had done things as some Harvard experts suggested, I believe we could have saved at least 4-5 trillion AND been in a much better place.
 
We have to return to California since I have to get some medical tests run (would have to restart them in Salt Lake from scratch plus there's no one to take custody of the kids).

Younger one is literally crying that he doesn't want to go back.

So your kid wanted out of California before the pandemic? Your kid doesn't want to come back because he knows he's going to have to hear you whine and complain 24/7.
 
So your kid wanted out of California before the pandemic? Your kid doesn't want to come back because he knows he's going to have to hear you whine and complain 24/7.


Between fires, protests down the street (he spent one night cowering under a desk), getting doxxed and screamed at by a neighbor, a couple encounters with homeless people (one of whom threatened to shoot him), suicide attempt by a relative, practices being started then cancelled again, and online school, he hates Los Angeles (and rightly or wrongly equates the state with Los Angeles). He says when he goes to college he's leaving here and never coming back (I chuckled...said the same thing when I was his age). He loves Utah...we have a bigger house, swimming pool shared by 6 units, a forest for a backyard, golf course, soccer, everyone says "hello" to you on the street (he was seriously perplexed by that the first day), and everyone is (while still being cautious) just so much more relaxed about the pandemic.

The older doesn't want to hear me whine and complain 24/7 but is willing to trade that to hang out with his friends.
 
Relevance? And technically not correct, the treasury has spent around 4 trillion in purchasing government securities. After that, I'm not sure how the stimulus part of it broke down between unemployment v. $1200 checks. So you may be right with respect to the stimulus part of it, but I think it's relatively close.

I mentioned the feds because he appeared to be throwing shade on California. And I'm not saying California does not warrant some shade. The point is that after having spent 7.4 trillion+ and counting, where only slightly better off than many months ago. If we had done things as some Harvard experts suggested, I believe we could have saved at least 4-5 trillion AND been in a much better place.

Relevance because factor in the additional $600/wk added to unemployment as a part of the stimulus to the $1200 flat check and the number increases dramatically.
 
Between fires, protests down the street (he spent one night cowering under a desk), getting doxxed and screamed at by a neighbor, a couple encounters with homeless people (one of whom threatened to shoot him), suicide attempt by a relative, practices being started then cancelled again, and online school, he hates Los Angeles (and rightly or wrongly equates the state with Los Angeles). He says when he goes to college he's leaving here and never coming back (I chuckled...said the same thing when I was his age). He loves Utah...we have a bigger house, swimming pool shared by 6 units, a forest for a backyard, golf course, soccer, everyone says "hello" to you on the street (he was seriously perplexed by that the first day), and everyone is (while still being cautious) just so much more relaxed about the pandemic.

The older doesn't want to hear me whine and complain 24/7 but is willing to trade that to hang out with his friends.
Each kid is different. Thanks for sharing Grace. If I was an incoming Soph, Jr or Sr in this Corona times, I would have quit school and just surfed and worked. My dd had her first class today and everything worked out. My buddy is a teacher for at risk 8th graders. Special, special needs and many violent. My friend feels so safe at home now and mums the word. 7 more years and he's all done. He had one kid three years ago leave a bullet on his desk. Crazy kid who hated my friend. He is 100% with teaching online school forever :)
 
Each kid is different. Thanks for sharing Grace. If I was an incoming Soph, Jr or Sr in this Corona times, I would have quit school and just surfed and worked. My dd had her first class today and everything worked out. My buddy is a teacher for at risk 8th graders. Special, special needs and many violent. My friend feels so safe at home now and mums the word. 7 more years and he's all done. He had one kid three years ago leave a bullet on his desk. Crazy kid who hated my friend. He is 100% with teaching online school forever :)

If he were into surfing and the ocean like you and the older, I'm sure he'd feel different. If the eviction moratorium ever ends, we could move out of the city to the family beach condo in the VC for a couple months which would make everyone's life easier, though I'm not sure those 2 won't kill each other in bunk beds.
 
Between fires, protests down the street (he spent one night cowering under a desk), getting doxxed and screamed at by a neighbor, a couple encounters with homeless people (one of whom threatened to shoot him), suicide attempt by a relative, practices being started then cancelled again, and online school, he hates Los Angeles (and rightly or wrongly equates the state with Los Angeles). He says when he goes to college he's leaving here and never coming back (I chuckled...said the same thing when I was his age). He loves Utah...we have a bigger house, swimming pool shared by 6 units, a forest for a backyard, golf course, soccer, everyone says "hello" to you on the street (he was seriously perplexed by that the first day), and everyone is (while still being cautious) just so much more relaxed about the pandemic.

The older doesn't want to hear me whine and complain 24/7 but is willing to trade that to hang out with his friends.

I don't blame your son. And you know I was just yanking your chain on the 24/7 thing right? Best of luck.
 
44% of Californians reported feeling symptoms typical of generalized anxiety disorder or a major depressive disorder. This compares to 11% the year earlier. Looks like my kid is in plenty of company.

 
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

 
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.


I can only speak for my area, (NorCal,) but we have been distance practicing since... July? I think? Anyway, the teams in my DD's age group have 16 & 18. And yup-the team splits in half OR we have a guest coach (from another age group, etc,) take half on one side of the field and the other half on the other side.

I hope we are all horribly wrong but nobody in our club thinks we'll be playing by October. Fingers crossed for good news all around, tomorrow!
 
Sorry I don't know how to edit my post-but I will say that there have been rumblings within our sidelines, (virtual one now!) that we may end up doing more Futsal style stuff.
That wouldn’t be a bad thing for the development of players! I’m sure we will all adjust in the coming weeks if it looks like a fall season can’t happen.
 
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
 
That wouldn’t be a bad thing for the development of players! I’m sure we will all adjust in the coming weeks if it looks like a fall season can’t happen.

I still want to believe that we will have soccer in the fall. Futsal is a great alternative but it must happen soon. My dd mentioned yesterday that she is not having fun with distance practices (6 feet apart). She wants to tryout other sports. I have a feeling many kids will begin to walk away from sports if we can’t allow them to play anytime soon.
 
Paul George can kind of relate but he has it way better then Grace's boys.. I wonder how he would do locked up in a house as a teenager all day and night? Boys need to be outside building, playing, running, throwing rocks, being little trouble makers and really just being boys. Boys will be boys.

After helping the LA Clippers beat the Mavericks 154-111 in franchise-record-setting fashion to take a 3-2 series lead, the six-time All-Star revealed that he was "in a dark place" during his walk-off interview with TNT.

"It was just a little bit of everything," George later explained when asked what he meant. "I underestimated mental health, honestly. I had anxiety. A little bit of depression. Just being locked in here. I just wasn't there. I checked out.

"Games 2, 3, 4, I wasn't there. I felt like I wasn't there. Shout-out to the people that were in my corner, that gave me words. They helped big time, help get me right, [get] me back in great spirits. I can't thank them enough."
 
It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
Hopefully Governor gives clarification today during press conference but it appears the new cohort guideline are for counties still on the monitoring list. Under the faq section that is what it mentions

 
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