That's it? Are you serious? Avoiding college dorms has been a huge sacrifice for me.
Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!
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Never mind. I thought you were being serious.
I'm rarely serious.
Desert Hound
DA
Well many have asked how long do we continue hiding in our basements.
Fauci is giving us a clue.
Fauci says the arrival of a vaccine won’t mean life will return to normal, perhaps for more than a year.
“If you’re talking about getting back to a degree of normality which resembles where we were prior to COVID, it’s going to be well into 2021, maybe even towards the end of 2021,” said the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on Friday.
But Fauci warned that widespread distribution and getting “the majority, or more, of the population vaccinated and protected” won’t happen until perhaps the end 2021,
thefederalist.com
Fauci is giving us a clue.
Fauci says the arrival of a vaccine won’t mean life will return to normal, perhaps for more than a year.
“If you’re talking about getting back to a degree of normality which resembles where we were prior to COVID, it’s going to be well into 2021, maybe even towards the end of 2021,” said the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on Friday.
But Fauci warned that widespread distribution and getting “the majority, or more, of the population vaccinated and protected” won’t happen until perhaps the end 2021,
Fauci Spills The Beans: A Vaccine Won’t End COVID-19 Restrictions
Anthony Fauci is always the harbinger of more suffering to be inflicted by state and local governments. Count on governors parroting the new expectation.
thefederalist.com
That’s odd. I haven’t been asking how long to hide in my basement/under my bed.Well many have asked how long do we continue hiding in our basements.
Fauci is giving us a clue.
Fauci says the arrival of a vaccine won’t mean life will return to normal, perhaps for more than a year.
“If you’re talking about getting back to a degree of normality which resembles where we were prior to COVID, it’s going to be well into 2021, maybe even towards the end of 2021,” said the director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on Friday.
But Fauci warned that widespread distribution and getting “the majority, or more, of the population vaccinated and protected” won’t happen until perhaps the end 2021,
Fauci Spills The Beans: A Vaccine Won’t End COVID-19 Restrictions
Anthony Fauci is always the harbinger of more suffering to be inflicted by state and local governments. Count on governors parroting the new expectation.
I do ask how long morons are going to keep going out to bars and restaurants.
People diagnosed with covid recently went out to restaurants at about 50% above the rate of the general population. p=0.01. Same ratio for churches, and bars/coffee shops. ( The study did not distinguish between bars and coffee houses.)
Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 ...
Community and close contact exposures continue to drive the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. CDC and other public health authorities recommend community mitigation strategies ...
www.cdc.gov
This is what the p =0.01 means: There is a 1% chance that you might see this through random chance. There is a 99% chance that there is some kind of association between going to restaurants and getting a positive covid test.
So, when you are out there “living your life” at the bar/church/casino/motorcycle rally/restaurant, be aware of what else you are doing. You are, very slightly, increasing the rate of spread of coronavirus. And, together with the millions of other people doing the same, you are helping extend the period we all have to suffer through this.
(Now waiting for your lame explanation of why statistics don’t apply to you.)
One of the reasons for this is the government lacks a whole lot of pressure points for forcing vaccinations (short of rounding people up on the street and dragging them into the doctor's office as Australia has floated). With right and left lining up to not take a vaccine developed by the other side, this fight is looking uglier by the day. The rationale for that date is it looks like pediatric doses won't be available until the spring at earliest (though one of the trials recently did drop enrollment as low as 16 year olds). One of the easiest and proven ways to boast immunization rates is by requiring kids to take it for school. So the pressure point is August of 2021 when it will be required for kids to return to school. Since its looking 2 doses separated by weeks are required, that's where you get the date from.
Other pressure points like going into a hospital or a nursing home might take time to build as new people gradually go into nursing homes and hospitals. Some like the military or large corps voluntarily requiring it to return to the office will help but don't make up the numbers. The kids are a quick way to get the numbers up. Some ideas being floated (like requiring proof of immunization to fly) may or may not take.
Oh but statistics, or actual data, does apply to me. Current odds of me having been in a hospital Covid positive 0.14%. Current odds of me having died Covid positive .014%. Now the virus hasn't fully cycled through, so my odds could be worse, but I also don't have 3 comorbidities so that would lower my odds significantly. Either way, no one can predict the exact odds (not even predicative statisticians), but the actual data is abundantly clear that my odds are very, very low.
Sure. A healthy 45 year old person is very unlikely to die of covid. This does not mean that a healthy 45 year old person is unlikely to spread covid.
I was pointing out that certain activites, like going to churches, bars, and restaurants, make you more likely to spread covid.
Other activities, like hiking or gardening, do not make you more likely to spread covid.
You’re just choosing the activities that help make the disease worse.
Here's the really weird thing about Covid, you actually have to have Covid to spread it.
No levers? Just require all businesses to have proof of vaccination for all employees. No vaccine cards, no business license.
Huntington Beach might throw a snit, but that doesn’t mean it’s hard to enforce.
Desert Hound
DA
I am more interested in how he is talking late 2021 or into 2022 before we get back to a DEGREE of normality.
We we are talking more than a year from now. We have already been in groundhog day for 7 months now.
We we are talking more than a year from now. We have already been in groundhog day for 7 months now.
a) with resistance to vaccine widespread (including the recent political slants) unlikely most states will want to go about shuttering businesses that disagree (yeah maybe California/Hawaii/New York might try it but it will be ugly), b) other than the large corps (which are going to voluntarily mandate it anyways), they can't patrol people hire legal immigrants let alone whether people are vaccinated, c) Sheriff's office aren't enforcing mask mandates or gathering restrictions in SoCal that rigorously (they may break up a soccer game or 2 but they aren't rounding up people at beaches)...they are unlikely to cooperate even if they try it, and d) doesn't cover the unemployed, retirees, students, very young (hence the date...schools).
By then a new virus or a bad flu will have set in. Precedent set for what we did this time around. Lot's of whataboutism. The new normal. That's why even if you disagree with the PA federal courts ruling striking down perpetual restrictions, it's important for the federal courts to set the grounds rules for what happens next time.
Anti-vax are maybe 1/5 of the population. They win by being motivted and loud, right up until the point when they cause yet another measles outbreak.
Then the 80% says WTF??? and the law cracks down again. If anti-vax crowd try to prolong covid, the 80% will not suffer through another 6 months of shutdown just to keep some a-scientific loons happy.
And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....
Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine
A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.
www.nbcnews.com
I just want to say thank you to everyone on here. I know we all dont agree and we all come from different back grounds, colors and experiences. It's been great having civil discussions with you all. Peace!!!
And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....
Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine
A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.
Fewer than half of all people get a flu vaccine each year:
CDC: Fewer than half of Americans get flu vaccine
Despite awareness campaigns and publicized risks, fewer than half of all Americans were vaccinated for the flu last season, according to findings from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
thenationshealth.aphapublications.org
With Covid-19 will that number go up or down? People are afraid of it so I think it's going to be less initially and will take years to get enough people to get vaccinated for it to really make a big difference.
We need to find ways to live and manage just like we do with season flu, it's not going away so let's get on with it and live life.
Soccer leagues starting in Nov now so let's hope that sticks and the guidelines get updated on oct for scrimmages.
Which leagues, and which states/counties? Do we have state/county approval, or are we still just hoping?Fewer than half of all people get a flu vaccine each year:
CDC: Fewer than half of Americans get flu vaccine
Despite awareness campaigns and publicized risks, fewer than half of all Americans were vaccinated for the flu last season, according to findings from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Soccer leagues starting in Nov now so let's hope that sticks and the guidelines get updated on oct for scrimmages.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I see some states (TX, FL, AZ) giving everyone the opportunity to get the vaccine, and once that time has passed, they will open up rather quickly - possibly in steps - to fully open. Currently, in CA I don't see a strong will to enforce much of anything on individuals and there will be dwindling public support for restrictions if the only reason we aren't opening up is that some people are refusing the vaccine. I don't necessarily think it will get ugly, I just think people will start ignoring the restrictions and the restrictions won't be enforced. The places I'd worry about most if this happens are those places that have had relatively few cases. HI and NM really needs vaccine compliance or they will run the risk of a big spike in cases.And this was before certain individuals stuck their noses in it.....
Poll: Less than half of Americans say they'll get a coronavirus vaccine
A majority of Democrats say they would get a government-approved vaccine, compared to just 36 percent of Republicans, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Tracking Poll.