Where is Andres Deza

[crush]

Surf should have just kept Jose Ocampo. They would still be playing the same beautiful soccer I watched his high school girls play tonight. There were a few elites but for the most part they played as a unit with good vision, movement, and execution. Ocampo told my daughter that he wanted to save her legs for the Blues this weekend when he pulled her out. She told him not to worry about her legs with the style of soccer they were playing. It was great to see a Varsity girls team just pinging the ball around the back, up the sides and through the middle as the movement relentlessly broke down defensive pressure. Pretty demoralizing for opponents.

I got there when CC was leaving ((nice man CC was to my family. He said so many glowing things about my dd, I can;t share because EOTL will make fun of her again)). The new leadership of dads took over and the rest is history. I saw Jose ((has a bro too?)) up close and he taught from the back too. I forget the Jamaican coach's name, but he had the best 03/04 team in the country in 2012. I think it was U9 and they killed everybody besides the Socal Blues. One of my dd previous clubs had to do a combo all star North & South team from the IE to try and knock Goliath off at baby surf cup but we lost in OT in semis. My dd tied the game with .06 left to send the match to PKs. My dd hit her PK but one of our GOATs hit cross bar and we lost to the 2012 #1 team in country SD Surf. Those Ocampo bros were really good. To this day I never have heard anything sad about them.

 

[gotothebushes]

I've heard great things about the way his teams play. I'm sure for the truly elite player - He will be a great fit.
And this not just for coach AD- but for a lot of the coaches that people feel are "Elite" - There will be many players under these coaches that will play at the highest level of college and a few that will make a living as a pro player- As evidenced above by someone saying how many Stanford, National Team, etc players he has been involved with.
But how many players have quit the game at too young of an age because some bald guy with an accent pushes them too much, too early? (A lot of the blame here belongs on the parent for putting their kid in the wrong environment) It's not just in soccer that this happens (see the recent "gymnastics" issues) . I say "buyer beware"- And really know if your player has the physical and mental toughness to be that type of player. There is nothing wrong with playing for a coach that doesn't berate you and playing for a "local" team.

I come from the old school where high school sports were king. You had A-hole HS coaches in most sports. But these coaches weren't full time football, basketball, baseball., soccer coaches. They had some other main source of income. They coached because they knew the game and loved (maybe just "liked") the game. They weren't making high-5 to 6 figure salaries and moving across the country for a "better" job to coach middle school or HS aged athletes. They stuck close to home and were part of the community. They seemed to do it for the kids and not for trying to get themselves elevated to a higher level of status in the youth coaching ranks.

Most people on this board would recognize if someone said "Tad", "Ebert", "Platini", "Walid" or "Camargo" at a dinner party (even if your kid never played for them). Why do we give these guys celebrity status? How many of you know the name of your kids Math or English teacher?

Can I get an AMEN! Preach!

 

[EOTL]

I've heard great things about the way his teams play. I'm sure for the truly elite player - He will be a great fit.
And this not just for coach AD- but for a lot of the coaches that people feel are "Elite" - There will be many players under these coaches that will play at the highest level of college and a few that will make a living as a pro player- As evidenced above by someone saying how many Stanford, National Team, etc players he has been involved with.
But how many players have quit the game at too young of an age because some bald guy with an accent pushes them too much, too early? (A lot of the blame here belongs on the parent for putting their kid in the wrong environment) It's not just in soccer that this happens (see the recent "gymnastics" issues) . I say "buyer beware"- And really know if your player has the physical and mental toughness to be that type of player. There is nothing wrong with playing for a coach that doesn't berate you and playing for a "local" team.

I come from the old school where high school sports were king. You had A-hole HS coaches in most sports. But these coaches weren't full time football, basketball, baseball., soccer coaches. They had some other main source of income. They coached because they knew the game and loved (maybe just "liked") the game. They weren't making high-5 to 6 figure salaries and moving across the country for a "better" job to coach middle school or HS aged athletes. They stuck close to home and were part of the community. They seemed to do it for the kids and not for trying to get themselves elevated to a higher level of status in the youth coaching ranks.

Most people on this board would recognize if someone said "Tad", "Ebert", "Platini", "Walid" or "Camargo" at a dinner party (even if your kid never played for them). Why do we give these guys celebrity status? How many of you know the name of your kids Math or English teacher?

If a kid quits, it wasn’t the bald guy with the accent’s fault. It was their parent’s for pushing them too hard, putting them in the situation that was unacceptable, and failing to do anything while it went on and on for months. Or maybe it was nobody’s fault and she just grew out of soccer. A parent blaming the coach for a kid hating a sport is just an excuse to lay blame somewhere other than where it belongs.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I got there when CC was leaving ((nice man CC was to my family. He said so many glowing things about my dd, I can;t share because EOTL will make fun of her again)). The new leadership of dads took over and the rest is history. I saw Jose ((has a bro too?)) up close and he taught from the back too. I forget the Jamaican coach's name, but he had the best 03/04 team in the country in 2012. I think it was U9 and they killed everybody besides the Socal Blues. One of my dd previous clubs had to do a combo all star North & South team from the IE to try and knock Goliath off at baby surf cup but we lost in OT in semis. My dd tied the game with .06 left to send the match to PKs. My dd hit her PK but one of our GOATs hit cross bar and we lost to the 2012 #1 team in country SD Surf. Those Ocampo bros were really good. To this day I never have heard anything sad about them.

Jose and his brother Adrian's Varsity girls put on a clinic last night. Their transition game was solid. Surf is sorely missing what they already had nearly 10 years ago.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

If a kid quits, it wasn’t the bald guy with the accent’s fault. It was their parent’s for pushing them too hard, putting them in the situation that was unacceptable, and failing to do anything while it went on and on for months. Or maybe it was nobody’s fault and she just grew out of soccer. A parent blaming the coach for a kid hating a sport is just an excuse to lay blame somewhere other than where it belongs.

There you go. Thoughtfully confrontational. Lets build on that.

 

[Goforgoal]

Surf should have just kept Jose Ocampo. They would still be playing the same beautiful soccer I watched his high school girls play tonight. There were a few elites but for the most part they played as a unit with good vision, movement, and execution. Ocampo told my daughter that he wanted to save her legs for the Blues this weekend when he pulled her out. She told him not to worry about her legs with the style of soccer they were playing. It was great to see a Varsity girls team just pinging the ball around the back, up the sides and through the middle as the movement relentlessly broke down defensive pressure. Pretty demoralizing for opponents.

He does train his teams to play some really wonderful soccer, no doubt about that.

 

[crush]

If a kid quits, It was their parent’s fault for pushing them too hard, putting them in the situation that was unacceptable, failing to do anything while it went on and on for months. blaming the coach for a kid hating a sport is just an excuse

 

[FutbolHeidiHo]

I've heard great things about the way his teams play. I'm sure for the truly elite player - He will be a great fit.
And this not just for coach AD- but for a lot of the coaches that people feel are "Elite" - There will be many players under these coaches that will play at the highest level of college and a few that will make a living as a pro player- As evidenced above by someone saying how many Stanford, National Team, etc players he has been involved with.
But how many players have quit the game at too young of an age because some bald guy with an accent pushes them too much, too early? (A lot of the blame here belongs on the parent for putting their kid in the wrong environment) It's not just in soccer that this happens (see the recent "gymnastics" issues) . I say "buyer beware"- And really know if your player has the physical and mental toughness to be that type of player. There is nothing wrong with playing for a coach that doesn't berate you and playing for a "local" team.

I come from the old school where high school sports were king. You had A-hole HS coaches in most sports. But these coaches weren't full time football, basketball, baseball., soccer coaches. They had some other main source of income. They coached because they knew the game and loved (maybe just "liked") the game. They weren't making high-5 to 6 figure salaries and moving across the country for a "better" job to coach middle school or HS aged athletes. They stuck close to home and were part of the community. They seemed to do it for the kids and not for trying to get themselves elevated to a higher level of status in the youth coaching ranks.

Most people on this board would recognize if someone said "Tad", "Ebert", "Platini", "Walid" or "Camargo" at a dinner party (even if your kid never played for them). Why do we give these guys celebrity status? How many of you know the name of your kids Math or English teacher?

There are a few coaches in the California youth club envorinoment that seem to really be able to make a recruiting difference for players and he is one of them which is why people talk about him so much. I have been around his teams and players through my older kids and become friends with some parents. It seems like a love/hate relationship often. WHen you get a whole team of GOATS playing time suffers for some talented kids who would start other places and that can be demoralizing for them. I mentioend elsewhere that I have a trans player. No, she wouldn't do well on a AD team. She needs to be in it just for the fun of the game and the friendships. My oldest dd was the same way, and she was really talented but I would never have asked her to compete for playing time in a pool play setting which was how AD runs his programs I understand. All of this discussion misses the point that a parent has to know their kid and be able to be remotely objective about ability level. Alot of the love I saw parents give AD was that he focused on quality of touch and tactics rather than just size and speed and strength for playing time decisions. That might be a big change and hard swallow for alot of Surf parents. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[crush]

He does train his teams to play some really wonderful soccer, no doubt about that.

Beautiful soccer, especially seeing girls play from the back. Let's be honest, it was rough and rugbeeish 10 years ago. Guys like him have fought the kickballers and took over the sport with GDA. I think kickball stlye should be outlawed under u13. You must pull the bad root early before bad habits ((weeds)) come up and hurt the players and make girls soccer cringe worthy.

 

[Anon9]

Beautiful soccer, especially seeing girls play from the back. Let's be honest, it was rough and rugbeeish 10 years ago. Guys like him have fought the kickballers and took over the sport with GDA. I think kickball stlye should be outlawed under u13. You must pull the bad root early before bad habits ((weeds)) come up and hurt the players and make girls soccer cringe worthy.

Have you heard of the build out line? It's used in NorCal for 7v7.

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

If a kid quits, it wasn’t the bald guy with the accent’s fault. It was their parent’s for pushing them too hard, putting them in the situation that was unacceptable, and failing to do anything while it went on and on for months. Or maybe it was nobody’s fault and she just grew out of soccer. A parent blaming the coach for a kid hating a sport is just an excuse to lay blame somewhere other than where it belongs.

That is not necessarily the case -- it can happen quick especially with girls and it can happen anywhere -- All Stars, Regional Camps, Local team, Club, School. Even if the kid and parents remove them from the situation quickly it could have still done the damage that starts the falling out of love of the game.

 

[oh canada]

Sounds like a clash of big egos is just a matter of time: coach + surf execs + parents

How long will the honeymoon last?

 

[FutbolHeidiHo]

That is not necessarily the case -- it can happen quick especially with girls and it can happen anywhere -- All Stars, Regional Camps, Local team, Club, School. Even if the kid and parents remove them from the situation quickly it could have still done the damage that starts the falling out of love of the game.

Welcome to life because that can happen with anything. It goes back to my point you have to know your kid and pay attention. There sure are horrible coaches who can cause damage very quickly, but the guys discussed in this thread are not those guys. If your kid is coming home crying every night and does not want to got to practice and you tell her to tough it out then that one is on you. enduring one bad experience in one of the environments you describe is where teaching your kid resilience makes all the difference

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

Welcome to life because that can happen with anything. It goes back to my point you have to know your kid and pay attention. There sure are horrible coaches who can cause damage very quickly, but the guys discussed in this thread are not those guys. If your kid is coming home crying every night and does not want to got to practice and you tell her to tough it out then that one is on you. enduring one bad experience in one of the environments you describe is where teaching your kid resilience makes all the difference

Unless you have been at every practice with every player you just don't know. Yep thousands of kids may have come through a program and only 1 or 2 or 10 quit because of the experience and a few others moved to other clubs. To say that guys mentioned in this thread are not those guys, you just don't know -- they may have been exactly that guy for that girl/family. My kid didn't enjoy some of the things she heard at a couple of PDP trainings and we moved on, it didn't make her stop playing but...another experience in another sport where she also kept playing, but never did all-stars and travel again because of a coach -- to this day has a visceral reaction to the sound of his voice.

 

[crush]

Sounds like a clash of big egos is just a matter of time: coach + surf execs + parents

How long will the honeymoon last?

It will last a long time and here's why. The Dads know they need to let a real pro take over. Remember Oh Canada, we all need a Mulligan or two or even more than three. Let's see how it plays out. This is Socal game changer. Socal just stole the top possession coach in the country from Nocal.

 

[FutbolHeidiHo]

Unless you have been at every practice with every player you just don't know. Yep thousands of kids may have come through a program and only 1 or 2 or 10 quit because of the experience and a few others moved to other clubs. To say that guys mentioned in this thread are not those guys, you just don't know -- they may have been exactly that guy for that girl/family. My kid didn't enjoy some of the things she heard at a couple of PDP trainings and we moved on, it didn't make her stop playing but...another experience in another sport where she also kept playing, but never did all-stars and travel again because of a coach -- to this day has a visceral reaction to the sound of his voice.

My point about resilience stands then. Of course certain coaches can be bad for certain players. but nothing you are saying here contributes to the conversation because we can never guarantee any one experience won't be hard on a kid.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

 

[happy9]

If a kid quits, it wasn’t the bald guy with the accent’s fault. It was their parent’s for pushing them too hard, putting them in the situation that was unacceptable, and failing to do anything while it went on and on for months. Or maybe it was nobody’s fault and she just grew out of soccer. A parent blaming the coach for a kid hating a sport is just an excuse to lay blame somewhere other than where it belongs.

Or maybe it was. I know you are a black and white operator but most of the world operates well within the gray. I've seen bald guys with accent's lose players because they were asshats. I've seen bald guys with accents nurture players and get the most out of them. Fit is a big deal.

Sometimes it's the coach, sometimes it's the parent, sometimes it's the kid, sometimes it's soccer.

 

[happy9]

There are a few coaches in the California youth club envorinoment that seem to really be able to make a recruiting difference for players and he is one of them which is why people talk about him so much. I have been around his teams and players through my older kids and become friends with some parents. It seems like a love/hate relationship often. WHen you get a whole team of GOATS playing time suffers for some talented kids who would start other places and that can be demoralizing for them. I mentioend elsewhere that I have a trans player. No, she wouldn't do well on a AD team. She needs to be in it just for the fun of the game and the friendships. My oldest dd was the same way, and she was really talented but I would never have asked her to compete for playing time in a pool play setting which was how AD runs his programs I understand. All of this discussion misses the point that a parent has to know their kid and be able to be remotely objective about ability level. Alot of the love I saw parents give AD was that he focused on quality of touch and tactics rather than just size and speed and strength for playing time decisions. That might be a big change and hard swallow for alot of Surf parents. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Pool play is certain to disrupt business as usual. Great insight BTW! Takes some getting used to, many parents (and players) will not like it.

 

[youthsportsugghhh]

My point about resilience stands then. Of course certain coaches can be bad for certain players. but nothing you are saying here contributes to the conversation because we can never guarantee any one experience won't be hard on a kid.

my initial quote was in opposition to a comment that you cannot blame a coach for a situation and it is all the parents or kids fault that it didn't work out -- which is not the case -- 2nd comment was in opposition that these coaches cannot be blamed for those occurrences, but the reality is that unless you were in the shoes of the player/family you cannot say that. Maybe I am missing your point and definition of resiliency v one bad experience.

 

[FutbolHeidiHo]

my initial quote was in opposition to a comment that you cannot blame a coach for a situation and it is all the parents or kids fault that it didn't work out -- which is not the case -- 2nd comment was in opposition that these coaches cannot be blamed for those occurrences, but the reality is that unless you were in the shoes of the player/family you cannot say that. Maybe I am missing your point and definition of resiliency v one bad experience.

The general thing I was responding to was the idea any of the coaches mentioned here is overall "bad" for kids. I agree kids can get turned off of a coach from a comment or one experience, but if a kid quits a sport from one tryout then the behavior is either so bad the parent should be taking action against the coach, or the kid needs to develop more resilience. Having a kid who grew up different and has faced genuine hostility and bigotry most of her life maybe I am more aware of the need to keep an eye on things and pay attention to cues from my kid. It is important to remember we are talking about really high level teams. The environment will be intense and not for every kid. I have been amazing how many parents took it personally when their kid did not do well at the level, especially the really good soccer players who just didn't want to play that cut throat. But that's how competitive it is getting for D1 spots and certainly ynt spots It is not for every kid.