What's Wrong College Soccer

soccer4us said:


Yup, it's not close :) What it did show is how poor most women defenders are! Marta is like no one else we've seen in the women's game for the most part. That's why it seems like it's comparable. The speed at which Neymar does his dribbling skills is blows my mind. When he's not rolling around for getting hit by a feather, he's sure fun to watch!
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Just re-read your own post, you stated it's not because of Marta's skill...but, how poor women defenders are. Um, it's no different than Neymar making male defenders look poor as well. Yet, he has more skill? #nologic
 
NoGoal said:
Don't confuse boys being more athletic with being more skilled than girls. IMO, Marta is just as skilled as Neymar.
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Let's just talk facts. The USWNT plays the ODP Boys U15/U16 team and lose. They will lose most of the time, but might win a few.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/uswnt-vs-so-cal-boys-odp.929075/
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/new...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
and there is this: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1698...mens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash

Nobody (but some that don't like goals) are confused. The girls/women are awesome. They play at a very high level for women. The reality is the World Cup Winning USWNT can't beat a DA or ODP U16 Boys team. Its not a knock on the women, it is just the reality of the physical difference between between the boys and the girls. The USWNT is smarter and more tactical, but their bodies are not anywhere on par with 15 and 16 year old boys from a speed, quickness, and strength standpoint.

Its not a knock on the women, its just reality. The fact that the USWNT plays BU15 boys to get real competition (and lose most of the time) is awesome and commendable. The women and their coaches know that they have to challenge themselves by playing against superior (physically) teams to get better.

All of that said, yes, there are some incredible women athletes, but the the fastest women sprinter in the world, Flo Jo, runs the 100-meter dash at 10.49, whereas the fastest man, Usian Bolt, ran the 100-meter dash at 9.58. Nearly a full second faster. The slowest man during that world record setting run by Usian Bolt was Darvis Patton at 10.03.

I'm sorry, I really am, but teenage boys are physically stronger, quicker and faster than the best women soccer players. Its for this reason that there is not a legitimate "professional path" for women sports. Not women's soccer, the WNBA, or any other league.

Apples and oranges. Love the apples for what they are and the oranges too.
 
MWN said:
Let's just talk facts. The USWNT plays the ODP Boys U15/U16 team and lose. They will lose most of the time, but might win a few.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/uswnt-vs-so-cal-boys-odp.929075/
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/new...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
and there is this: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1698...mens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash

Nobody (but some that don't like goals) are confused. The girls/women are awesome. They play at a very high level for women. The reality is the World Cup Winning USWNT can't beat a DA or ODP U16 Boys team. Its not a knock on the women, it is just the reality of the physical difference between between the boys and the girls. The USWNT is smarter and more tactical, but their bodies are not anywhere on par with 15 and 16 year old boys from a speed, quickness, and strength standpoint.

Its not a knock on the women, its just reality. The fact that the USWNT plays BU15 boys to get real competition (and lose most of the time) is awesome and commendable. The women and their coaches know that they have to challenge themselves by playing against superior (physically) teams to get better.

All of that said, yes, there are some incredible women athletes, but the the fastest women sprinter in the world, Flo Jo, runs the 100-meter dash at 10.49, whereas the fastest man, Usian Bolt, ran the 100-meter dash at 9.58. Nearly a full second faster. The slowest man during that world record setting run by Usian Bolt was Darvis Patton at 10.03.

I'm sorry, I really am, but teenage boys are physically stronger, quicker and faster than the best women soccer players. Its for this reason that there is not a legitimate "professional path" for women sports. Not women's soccer, the WNBA, or any other league.

Apples and oranges. Love the apples for what they are and the oranges too.
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Is it that hard NOT to compare a males superior athleticism and confuse it when comparing soccer skills? #sheesh
 
Goodness. Does any other than for NoGoal get it? A male body is completely different from a woman's body. There are generations worth of genes in the male body that allows them to be faster, be stronger, etc (the hunters, the workers, etc) Women on the other hand, up until the last century or so, were the gathers in the old times, the stay at home moms basically up until the 18th century , etc. That does NOT mean that a women's sport is cannot be a "professional path", not trying to get into the NWSL and if it is worth it just yet. But that debate does not connect to skill or athleticism whatsoever. But, anyways, just because a woman cannot jump as high as a man doesn't mean she isn't a good basketball player. It doesn't mean she isn't skilled. Like NoGoal says, athletic ability and technical skill/ability are different. It's just a result of how the different bodies have evolved over time.
Just because a female soccer player can't 100% blast the ball as hard as a male in the pros, doesn't mean that they can't curl the ball, have deadly aim, or even be a free kick specialist.
OF COURSE there is a difference b/t fastest man in the world and fastest woman in the world! Is she a less skilled runner? NO. Are you going to say she didn't work her hardest for that time. I hope not.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Bottom line, your child needs to be unstoppable and way above the rest to have a high success rate to make it. With girls there might be more flexibility in terms of their skills ranking. With boys, not at all!!!
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We were talking about College soccer before Dodo Bird with No Goals spun the topic outta control comparing men's athleticism vs women's and Neymar's skill vs Marta's.

There's no comparison by the way. Men are more athletic than women and Neymar's skill is far superior than Marta's.

But suppose Dodo Bird's straw man argument holds water if we were to stay on topic. Who's skill set comes even close to Marta's in the United States? SoccerFan4Life is right, girls have more flexibility in terms of skill because we just don't have it.

You can ramble on and on but the fact of the matter is U.S. women's soccer is based on athleticism (Hulk Wambach) not skill (Marta).
 
SIMONMAGUS said:
We were talking about College soccer before Dodo Bird with No Goals spun the topic outta control comparing men's athleticism vs women's and Neymar's skill vs Marta's.

There's no comparison by the way. Men are more athletic than women and Neymar's skill is far superior than Marta's.

But suppose Dodo Bird's straw man argument holds water if we were to stay on topic. Who's skill set comes even close to Marta's in the United States? SoccerFan4Life is right, girls have more flexibility in terms of skill because we just don't have it.

You can ramble on and on but the fact of the matter is U.S. women's soccer is based on athleticism (Hulk Wambach) not skill (Marta).
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I ventured off topic? I was replying to your idiot post below. #duh

SIMONMAGUS said:
I can dig it.

Based on skill boys and girls are apples and oranges although majority of DD parents can't tell the difference.
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Optically, soccer is one of the easiest team sports in the world to watch. The ball is big enough to be visible (unlike hockey) and is rarely shielded from view by the players. While it can have very complex strategies, the lay viewer does not need to understand those strategies to enjoy the game. It is fast moving enough to be interesting, but not so fast you can't tell what is happening. IMO, the design of soccer makes high level women's soccer is great to watch live or on TV. While it will take some time, I believe that soccer is one of the sports that will become viable as a professional sport for women.
 
NoGoal said:
I ventured off topic? I was replying to your idiot post below. #learntofollow
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I just reaffirmed my post, DodoBird. Skillwise they're apples and oranges. Your argument didn't make much sense other than prove what skill (Marta) is and what U.S. lack in.
 
SIMONMAGUS said:
I just reaffirmed my post, DodoBird. Skillwise they're apples and oranges. Your argument didn't make much sense other than prove what skill (Marta) is and what U.S. lack in.
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What? Are you changing the narrative now. Which is it males are more skill than women or Marta has more skill than US WNT players. Do me a favor stand up, take deep breaths and collect your thoughts before typing on your keyboard.

Because if you are changing it to Marta is more skilled than US WNT players. No different than Messi and Neymar are more skilled than any US MNT player. #duh

Maybe change your alias to simoncro-magnon
 
Geesh. You guys sounds like my 7 year old and 9 year old arguing during a road trip.
Who would win in a fight? Superman or Mighty Mouse?
 
NoGoal said:
What? Are you changing the narrative now. Which is it males are more skill than women or Marta has more skill than US WNT players. Do me a favor stand up, take deep breaths and collect your thoughts before typing on your keyboard.

Because if you are changing it to Marta is more skilled than US WNT players. No different than Messi and Neymar are more skilled than any US MNT player. #duh

Maybe change your alias to simoncro-magnon
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lol You're the one who brought up Marta, genius.

And yes, Marta is more skilled than the USWNT, and men are more skilled than women.

What do you not agree with?
 
SIMONMAGUS said:
lol You're the one who brought up Marta, genius.

And yes, Marta is more skilled than the USWNT, and men are more skilled than women.

What do you not agree with?
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That's right I brought it up to reply to your idiot post that men are more skilled than women.

You're seriously not very bright. Try re-reading my posts again maybe you will figure out where I stand.
 
MWN said:
Let's just talk facts. The USWNT plays the ODP Boys U15/U16 team and lose. They will lose most of the time, but might win a few.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/uswnt-vs-so-cal-boys-odp.929075/
http://www.cbssports.com/soccer/new...-the-u-s-womens-national-team-in-a-scrimmage/
and there is this: http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1698...mens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash

Nobody (but some that don't like goals) are confused. The girls/women are awesome. They play at a very high level for women. The reality is the World Cup Winning USWNT can't beat a DA or ODP U16 Boys team. Its not a knock on the women, it is just the reality of the physical difference between between the boys and the girls. The USWNT is smarter and more tactical, but their bodies are not anywhere on par with 15 and 16 year old boys from a speed, quickness, and strength standpoint.

Its not a knock on the women, its just reality. The fact that the USWNT plays BU15 boys to get real competition (and lose most of the time) is awesome and commendable. The women and their coaches know that they have to challenge themselves by playing against superior (physically) teams to get better.

All of that said, yes, there are some incredible women athletes, but the the fastest women sprinter in the world, Flo Jo, runs the 100-meter dash at 10.49, whereas the fastest man, Usian Bolt, ran the 100-meter dash at 9.58. Nearly a full second faster. The slowest man during that world record setting run by Usian Bolt was Darvis Patton at 10.03.

I'm sorry, I really am, but teenage boys are physically stronger, quicker and faster than the best women soccer players. Its for this reason that there is not a legitimate "professional path" for women sports. Not women's soccer, the WNBA, or any other league.

Apples and oranges. Love the apples for what they are and the oranges too.
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Wow, a full second! I am impressed! I wonder if you adjust for length of leg and stride what the difference would be.
 
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