What does the DA2 mean for ECNL?

Real Deal said:
All kidding aside, I don't understand why everyone is so negative. DA, DA2, ECNL-- all are providing more opportunities for girls to train and play at a higher level as well as get more exposure for college. Isn't that a good thing?
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At the risk of sounding like a villain, the majority of players playing at this "higher" level have their careers end in 10th grade so why the need for so many "higher" level leagues. I personally prefer a concentration of top talent not a dilution of the overall talent pool. It used to be much more simple and now it is much more complicated and I would bet $1000 that the overall number of college recruits and YNT players will not increase significantly (more than one standard deviation).

No worries. Like most things the market will determine the winners.
 
Real Deal said:
All kidding aside, I don't understand why everyone is so negative. DA, DA2, ECNL-- all are providing more opportunities for girls to train and play at a higher level as well as get more exposure for college. Isn't that a good thing?
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DA will be and ECNL is providing that, not sure about this proposed DA2 league.

Calling something by name which is fictitious... DA2 is like the "Alternative facts" deal some people see right through it.

There is no direct link , DA teams normally have full rosters, look to transfers during the open windows so promising "potential" movement for 2nd team players based on performance is like the used cars salesman telling you potentially they will cover you if the car is a lemon but we will sell it to you without any warranty. Might throw you a bone and ask you to play some tournaments when the other team is short during summer or something like that.

I'm in favor of the reserve team system but having another league doesn't help that situation, can't club pass or move players around easily (no direct link) so more dilution happens when another league is added.

DA2 is pay to play, correct? where do you think some of the money will go to? Help Pay for the DA program, fields, coaches, and the sponsored kids on the other teams.

Selling something under false pretenses is not a good way for people to be positive about buying.
 
younothat said:
DA will be and ECNL is providing that, not sure about this proposed DA2 league.

Calling something by name which is fictitious... DA2 is like the "Alternative facts" deal some people see right through it.

There is no direct link , DA teams normally have full rosters, look to transfers during the open windows so promising "potential" movement for 2nd team players based on performance is like the used cars salesman telling you potentially they will cover you if the car is a lemon but we will sell it to you without any warranty. Might throw you a bone and ask you to play some tournaments when the other team is short during summer or something like that.

I'm in favor of the reserve team system but having another league doesn't help that situation, can't club pass or move players around easily (no direct link) so more dilution happens when another league is added.

DA2 is pay to play, correct? where do you think some of the money will go to? Help Pay for the DA program, fields, coaches, and the sponsored kids on the other teams.

Selling something under false pretenses is not a good way for people to be positive about buying.
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That is so concise and precise I can't do anything but agree with you 100%. Great post!
 
bababooey said:
The DA II league is serious. It will include 9 of the 14 GDA teams in the Southwest Division. The only team for sure that will not be a part of the DA II league at its inception (but a part of the GDA SW Division) is SC Del Sol. The likely others with ECNL and GDA who will not participate in the DA II league are Surf, Slammers, Blues and Eagles-or-Real So Cal. This is pure conjecture on my part.

The DA II league will be separate from SCDSL, CSL, SDDA, Presidio, etc. One benefit of the DA II league is that high school soccer will be allowed for the DA II players (not allowed for the DA I players).
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The part about SC del Sol FOR SURE not being in the DA II League is FALSE. If you go to their FAQ page on http://www.scdelsolda.com/ they say the following:

Q. How will you address the combined age groups?
A. With two of the Development Academy age groups being combined, these Academy teams will be made up of a combination of elite players from the two age groups, we will also have Academy II teams
 
younothat said:
DA will be and ECNL is providing that, not sure about this proposed DA2 league.

Calling something by name which is fictitious... DA2 is like the "Alternative facts" deal some people see right through it.

There is no direct link , DA teams normally have full rosters, look to transfers during the open windows so promising "potential" movement for 2nd team players based on performance is like the used cars salesman telling you potentially they will cover you if the car is a lemon but we will sell it to you without any warranty. Might throw you a bone and ask you to play some tournaments when the other team is short during summer or something like that.

I'm in favor of the reserve team system but having another league doesn't help that situation, can't club pass or move players around easily (no direct link) so more dilution happens when another league is added.

DA2 is pay to play, correct? where do you think some of the money will go to? Help Pay for the DA program, fields, coaches, and the sponsored kids on the other teams.

Selling something under false pretenses is not a good way for people to be positive about buying.
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This post is spot on!...
 
Desert Hound said:
The part about SC del Sol FOR SURE not being in the DA II League is FALSE. If you go to their FAQ page on http://www.scdelsolda.com/ they say the following:

Q. How will you address the combined age groups?
A. With two of the Development Academy age groups being combined, these Academy teams will be made up of a combination of elite players from the two age groups, we will also have Academy II teams
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My friend, I did not say that SC Del Sol would not have DA II teams, I said that their DA II teams would not participate in the DA II league. I am sure they can become part of the DA II league in the future, but as of now they have stated they don't have the player pool to compete at a high level now (per NP from Pats).
 
Del Sol DA website:
Q. Is there a specific number of players you need to have from each birth year to make up the team?
A. No specific number from each birth year so long as the required roster size is met.


Q. How will you address the combined age groups?
A. With two of the Development Academy age groups being combined, these Academy teams will be made up of a combination of elite players from the two age groups, we will also have Academy II teams - these teams will be made up of younger players who are preparing for the next season's Academy team and older players who we feel may have the ability to make the current Academy team. If not rostered full time, Academy II players may also be called up to play a limited number of games as “Developmental Players” with the current Academy team. League play structure for Academy II teams is still TBD - we are working with all our fellow Academy Clubs in the Division.


Academy II team age groups:

  • TBD

  • TBD

  • TBD

  • TBD

  • TBD
 
Desert Hound said:
Well now the SC del Sol DA FAQ page as of today makes no reference to DAII. It did just a few days ago....
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And if you go to the LAPFC announcement about the DA II teams/league, it states that Del Sol will participate in the DA II league. I have nothing against the Del Sol organization, but I don't think it would make much sense for the So Cal DA II teams to travel to Phoenix/Scottsdale to play one game.
 
MakeAPlay said:
At the risk of sounding like a villain, the majority of players playing at this "higher" level have their careers end in 10th grade so why the need for so many "higher" level leagues. I personally prefer a concentration of top talent not a dilution of the overall talent pool. It used to be much more simple and now it is much more complicated and I would bet $1000 that the overall number of college recruits and YNT players will not increase significantly (more than one standard deviation).

No worries. Like most things the market will determine the winners.
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I agree after 10th grade the GDA does not make a big difference and ECNL might be the right avenue (sometimes we agree on things). I don't think I have seen any posts on this forum where someone thinks college recruiting or YNT players will increase due to GDA other than you and nogoal (using the term ulittle) making the statement they won't.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
I agree after 10th grade the GDA does not make a big difference and ECNL might be the right avenue (sometimes we agree on things). I don't think I have seen any posts on this forum where someone thinks college recruiting or YNT players will increase due to GDA other than you and nogoal (using the term ulittle) making the statement they won't.
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You have to read between the lines. I have seen numerous posts by ULittle parents who seem to think that the GDA is going to increase the number of players in the YNT pool. I disagree with that position as the YNT players come from mostly the same clubs and the average number of players in the pool is about the same as it always has been. Sort of like the number of college scholarships given out has remained the same.
 
MakeAPlay said:
You have to read between the lines. I have seen numerous posts by ULittle parents who seem to think that the GDA is going to increase the number of players in the YNT pool. I disagree with that position as the YNT players come from mostly the same clubs and the average number of players in the pool is about the same as it always has been. Sort of like the number of college scholarships given out has remained the same.
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Yeah - maybe we interpreted some things differently; but, I agree nothing there is going to change.
 
bababooey said:
And if you go to the LAPFC announcement about the DA II teams/league, it states that Del Sol will participate in the DA II league. I have nothing against the Del Sol organization, but I don't think it would make much sense for the So Cal DA II teams to travel to Phoenix/Scottsdale to play one game.
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What is the link to the announcement? I couldn't find it. Thanks in advance.

They used to have a page but there is nothing there now. http://www.lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy/da2/what-is-the-academy-ii
 
I think it is going to be hard enough to build out competitive GDA teams for some and even more difficult to field a DA2 team...unless some clubs combine in some of these markets there doesn't seem to be enough kids around to support 2 reasonably high level teams...there are too many clubs in many of these markets...IMHO...
 
MakeAPlay said:
You have to read between the lines. I have seen numerous posts by ULittle parents who seem to think that the GDA is going to increase the number of players in the YNT pool. I disagree with that position as the YNT players come from mostly the same clubs and the average number of players in the pool is about the same as it always has been. Sort of like the number of college scholarships given out has remained the same.
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Its going to change the face of Girls ODP, though, you have to admit that. CalSouth may not be so dominant anymore...
 
gkrent said:
Its going to change the face of Girls ODP, though, you have to admit that. CalSouth may not be so dominant anymore...
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We will see. We are speculating at this point. I can tell you that many predicted the death of ODP when ECNL came into existence and it never happened. My advice to any that ask is to focus on your player and good things will happen. ODP and ECNL were the biggest things in terms of competition platform and exposure for my player. Her performance day in and day out in the ECNL and her performance at the ODP regional and national championships is what got her to where she is today.
 
MakeAPlay said:
We will see. We are speculating at this point. I can tell you that many predicted the death of ODP when ECNL came into existence and it never happened.
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Agreed with all, the only counter is that ECNL does not mandate non-participation in ODP. The boys side is a good example...when you look at the rosters there are no academy players (but, to counter my early point, the boys CalSouth team does pretty well)

As you say, though, who knows. I don't want to detract from those who are participating in the program now...it was the best experience of all youth soccer for my dd in terms of exposure and sheer competition/fun and she has those rings to show for it which is pretty dang cool.
 
gkrent said:
Agreed with all, the only counter is that ECNL does not mandate non-participation in ODP. The boys side is a good example...when you look at the rosters there are no academy players (but, to counter my early point, the boys CalSouth team does pretty well)

As you say, though, who knows. I don't want to detract from those who are participating in the program now...it was the best experience of all youth soccer for my dd in terms of exposure and sheer competition/fun and she has those rings to show for it which is pretty dang cool.
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I agree. My player is pretty happy with her two titles too. I just am not sure what is going to happen. US soccer has been pivoting. Clubs have been pulling out of DA. Some are all in. I suspect we really won't know the effect until my player is done with college so I haven't put a ton of mental energy into anything other than the most superficial speculation. I suspect as June approaches and your player starts getting ready for the challenge of winning PT in college, you are going to be less concerned too.

Good luck to your player and I look forward to seeing you on the sideline in the future.
 
MakeAPlay said:
At the risk of sounding like a villain, the majority of players playing at this "higher" level have their careers end in 10th grade so why the need for so many "higher" level leagues. I personally prefer a concentration of top talent not a dilution of the overall talent pool. It used to be much more simple and now it is much more complicated and I would bet $1000 that the overall number of college recruits and YNT players will not increase significantly (more than one standard deviation).

No worries. Like most things the market will determine the winners.
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FACT: the club soccer player pool contracts after U14, yet more leagues are popping up. Go figure!

DA2 was created for only one purpose in mind. For DA clubs without ECNL affiliation, so those clubs can retain club fees, I mean players who did not make the DA team from leaving for ECNL clubs.
 
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