Vaccine

EvilGoalie 21 said:
To each their own-yep. The "evidence" for attempted coverup seems pretty breezy to me. I'm agonostic on the origin, but wanna see something solid one way or another.
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With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
 
dad4 said:
With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
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I'll listen to the podcast of the journalist posted earlier (VF hits a paywall for me). I have followed the story but from my own angle. If there was some sort of deliberate engineering-which is what's ultimately implied by the gain of function stuff-it would be hard to do it without leaving traces in the viral genome sequence. If there is a signature, what is it? The CoV-2 genome has been scrutinized pretty hard at this point. If it is of natural origin, tracking the phylogeny should be able to reconstruct the lineage, although it is admittedly a difficult task-looking for strains in bats and other beasties spread all over the place. If it was a normal recombinant that arose from strains isolated in the wild and brought to Wuhan, with somebody screwing up and getting themselves infected, we may never learn of the event, unless our intelligence agencies have something definitive that has yet to see the light of day. Ultimately, for the biology, either two coronaviruses got together and recombined as they tend to do, either in a culture dish or in nature, or....not. If it's a recombinant it would be really great to know the parental strains. Solid evidence could come from intelligence or good muckraking journalism, although you could just get smoke and mirrors, which I think is pretty much where its at. But if you could see it or find it, the real answer must be embedded in viral genomes.
 
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EvilGoalie 21 said:
I'll listen to the podcast of the journalist posted earlier (VF hits a paywall for me). I have followed the story but from my own angle. If there was some sort of deliberate engineering-which is what's ultimately implied by the gain of function stuff-it would be hard to do it without leaving traces in the viral genome sequence. If there is a signature, what is it? The CoV-2 genome has been scrutinized pretty hard at this point. If it is of natural origin, tracking the phylogeny should be able to reconstruct the lineage, although it is admittedly a difficult task-looking for strains in bats and other beasties spread all over the place. If it was a normal recombinant that arose from strains isolated in the wild and brought to Wuhan, with somebody screwing up and getting themselves infected, we may never learn of the event, unless our intelligence agencies have something definitive that has yet to see the light of day. Ultimately, for the biology, either two coronaviruses got together and recombined as they tend to do, either in a culture dish or in nature, or....not. If it's a recombinant it would be really great to know the parental strains. Solid evidence could come from intelligence or good muckraking journalism, although you could just get smoke and mirrors, which I think is pretty much where its at. But if you could see it or find it, the real answer must be embedded in viral genomes.
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Plenty of independent brain power has gone into trying to determine origin. Access to the server that was taken off line would do wonders. The search for natural origin has supposedly been exhausted - according to the CCP. There are very serious and smart people who don't peddle conspiracy theories that are not convinced this occurred naturally. All that is being asked is unfettered access. Which will likley not happen.
 
what-happened said:
Plenty of independent brain power has gone into trying to determine origin. Access to the server that was taken off line would do wonders. The search for natural origin has supposedly been exhausted - according to the CCP. There are very serious and smart people who don't peddle conspiracy theories that are not convinced this occurred naturally. All that is being asked is unfettered access. Which will likley not happen.
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Man made
 
what-happened said:
Plenty of independent brain power has gone into trying to determine origin. Access to the server that was taken off line would do wonders. The search for natural origin has supposedly been exhausted - according to the CCP. There are very serious and smart people who don't peddle conspiracy theories that are not convinced this occurred naturally. All that is being asked is unfettered access. Which will likley not happen.
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Maybe all the answers are on Biden’s kids missing laptop? Lol!
 
Hüsker Dü said:
All memes are meant to be funny and not always 100% factual. They only are “dumb” to those who don’t like the message.
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Will you ever admit to being wrong and supporting liars and cheaters? Can you say, "sorry?" If you can come on here and show us all some humility, you will be honored. If you continue down this path with haughty writing, then you will have serious Karma hit you in the face. I had the best day ever in my life yesterday. I would love to share why with you but you wouldn't believe me. It's time to put you childish games away and be a man!!!
 
Hüsker Dü said:
All memes are meant to be funny and not always 100% factual. They only are “dumb” to those who don’t like the message.
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Keep burying your head in the sand. It's ok if you now realize how this meme signals a degredation of intellectual grasp. The meme has good intent and potential and could have been very effective. Unfortunately it lacked a basic grasp of the subject. Funny how easily you are riled up and how linear you are in its defense.

I'm fine with the message it was trying to send.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Wages haven’t kept up with inflation since 1982. Still awaiting the “trickle down”.
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Instead you think somehow by gov taking more money from people and biz and giving it to preferred political constituencies will somehow do a better job.

Because that is the opposite side of the argument right?
 
dad4 said:
With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
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I would think the best evidence is the FOIA emails we have from Fauci, etc who are discussing this. And in those emails you have prominent scientist saying there is a very strong chance the virus came from a lab. And yet at the same time Fauci was publicly deriding anyone who suggested that fact.
 
dad4 said:
With no access to the lab, the scientists, or the samples, what kind of solid evidence do you think you’re going to get?
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Agreed, but the bigger threat to me is not whether or not COVID was engineered, it's that legitimate questions about the source were peddled off as conspiracy theories by some in the mainstream media. The process of producing news matters. It's broken and continues to divide us as a county.

@EvilGoalie 21 calls the lab leak plausible. I can appreciate the circumspect approach. It's one an independent media needs and sorely lacking here.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Agreed, but the bigger threat to me is not whether or not COVID was engineered, it's that legitimate questions about the source were peddled off as conspiracy theories by some in the mainstream media. The process of producing news matters. It's broken and continues to divide us as a county.

@EvilGoalie 21 calls the lab leak plausible. I can appreciate the circumspect approach. It's one an independent media needs and sorely lacking here.
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Unfortunately there has been a concentrated effort to downplay and attack the idea that a lab leak is plausible. There has been for sometime, beyond the shadow of the mainstream media and science talking heads, the consenus that what has to be proven is that a lab leak didn't happen. The uncovering of emails, the way Fauci handles questions furthe reinforces this thought. There are other reasons but these are the ones most people have in front of them.

The disease generated by the virus is unusual, the origins are unknown. The investigation was haphazard and involved people with ties to funding. All of it is very unusual. Nothing can be proven. Governments operate in nefarious ways all the time, to include ours.

Besides, JFK Jr. was supposed to come back. That's a much better story to cover.
 
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Bayern Munich star Davies stops training due to mild inflammation of the heart

BAYERN MUNICH star Alphonso Davies has been forced to stop training after a heart scare. The 21-year-old has not played for the German giants since December 17 after he tested positive for Covid-19…
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What's interesting about this case is Davies got the vaccine a long while ago, but came down with covid in December. He had been playing games fine up till that point. It's also curious to me why we're only seeing this in soccer players. Like why not the NBA? They exert themselves just as much.
 
Desert Hound said:
I would think the best evidence is the FOIA emails we have from Fauci, etc who are discussing this. And in those emails you have prominent scientist saying there is a very strong chance the virus came from a lab. And yet at the same time Fauci was publicly deriding anyone who suggested that fact.
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Emails, text and private conversation have ALL been recorded and no one is escaping this. Time to fess up and change your cheating & lying ways ((not you Hound, the others)). The whole system was rigged the minute we came out of the womb. I keep you telling guys the truth. Pay to play is no more. No more buying people to own them, no more bribing them to keep them as slaves at work and no more blackmail to do all the dirty work after you groomed them. Being bought is not a crime by the way. My best best liberal pay has seen the light. He is asking me to help as mentor. It's a miracle that no one will believe so why share it and get laughed at, told I'm a moron, hypocrite and just full of BS. Confess your dirty deeds, wash up and come to the party in new clothing :)
 
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