The rules also stipulate it is not a handball if a player is hit on the arm by the ball without moving towards the ball and without being able to move out of the way. This supports your statement.
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In the current officiating regime, clever forwards who have no open shot at the goal will just shoot at defenders' arms instead.
From the rumors that came out of the IFAB meetings on the rules revision, that was exactly the objection that was raised by the traditionalists in the handball rule discussions...absent guidance of what is "unnaturally bigger" you have to have your hands firmly planted to the side. Her arms were out, barring some clarifying interpretation of what unnaturally bigger means. Stupid rule, but correct application of the rule, if we are going to be strict about it (which seems to be the direction).
I agree, however, that it will come to their arms behind the back (though after this WWC I'm also sure we are in for some further rules revisions).
Another objection raised by the traditionalists at the time. That circumstance is preceded with the words "Except for the above offences", which leads to the question why have that list at all? Supposedly it's supposed to be illustrative, but not controlling???
Said it at the time, but the new revision makes no sense...it was made as a compromise between the traditionalists and the strict handball factions, and (unless you are going to take the most extreme literal and expansionist interpretation, which it seems is what they are doing) are a muddled mess at best, game altering in a bad way at worst. Hate the rule, not the refs.Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
First match I’ve missed... I hope they replay it tonight.
jojosoccer
SILVER ELITE
Just returning from France. Great atmosphere, friendly people everywhere. Really fun.
FIFA web site was bad, but we managed to get our $17 tickets.
Paid $49 for USA - Spain and there were plenty of open seats.
Hotels were very nice, paid $139 on Hotels.com. included breakfast.
Cheaper World Cup than I’ve paid for Men’s WC in the past.
It was frustrating watching our forward line not finishing. Fans were grumbling about substitutions, but that didn’t really happen. It was warm there for sure.
I was waiting for Press to come in by the 38 minute I couldn’t stand watching Morgan do nothing and Rapinoe miss every chance. Rapinoe was disruptive but she’s not a true finisher anyway.
Shoulda subbed in that heat and Spain’s pressure.
Put Ertz in the back line and bring Horan in the mid if you want to win on Friday. Also, going to have to use Press and McDonald at some point Friday. Lloyd too at some point to FINISH.
FIFA web site was bad, but we managed to get our $17 tickets.
Paid $49 for USA - Spain and there were plenty of open seats.
Hotels were very nice, paid $139 on Hotels.com. included breakfast.
Cheaper World Cup than I’ve paid for Men’s WC in the past.
It was frustrating watching our forward line not finishing. Fans were grumbling about substitutions, but that didn’t really happen. It was warm there for sure.
I was waiting for Press to come in by the 38 minute I couldn’t stand watching Morgan do nothing and Rapinoe miss every chance. Rapinoe was disruptive but she’s not a true finisher anyway.
Shoulda subbed in that heat and Spain’s pressure.
Put Ertz in the back line and bring Horan in the mid if you want to win on Friday. Also, going to have to use Press and McDonald at some point Friday. Lloyd too at some point to FINISH.
Just A Dad
SILVER ELITE
I’m the furthest thing from an expert but sure does feel like VAR like instant replay in the NFL is there to punish the defense
That's funny, because a large part of the argument for VAR was to prevent some infractions on the offense, like checking the offside on breakaways or avoiding offensive tricks like the hand of God. I think it's done that pretty well (and did it pretty well at the men's WC)...but combined with the new rule changes it's not working and taking too long (on a penalty, for example, you have to first review it to see if it's a penalty, then review it for the goalkeeper infraction once it's taken, and if there was an infraction, review the second shot too).
soccerobserver
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GT whatever the rules are the outcomes feel like the tail is wagging the dog so to speak. Too many times a game is being decided by tiny aspects of the game that have little to do with skill, tactics and strategy. I think each team should be given one chance per game to use VAR. maybe that would help restore some balance to how the games are being decided. Also the hand ball rule should allow for interpretation by the referee and should not be called for inadvertent minimal contact. The penalty to Japan was disproportionate to the crime in my humble opinion.
Multi Sport
DA
Was talking with my Dad today and he was texting one of his friends in Holland. The guy is the President of one of the sports federations for Holland and even he felt it was not a handball. VAR has had too much of an impact on this WC..
Fridays game will be epic and sure hope Ellis decides to mix it up. I'm pulling for a Netherlands v USA final.
Fridays game will be epic and sure hope Ellis decides to mix it up. I'm pulling for a Netherlands v USA final.
MakeAPlay
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You heard my position, I assume that even someone as lazy as you can use Google.
If you want to find out how far I will go you should Google me. And PM me.
Are you denying that you made all those false statements about me?
oh canada
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This WC is looking like it will be decided by fouls and handballs in the box, unfortunately. The 3 favorites - France, US and Netherlands all played poorly this round and were saved by the whistle. Maybe the answer is if it's not a deliberate/intentional handling in the box then it's an indirect kick, not a PK?
Japan was brilliant. A post and crossbar away from advancing.
If France loses Friday they are out of WC and the Olympics next year! Ooof. Talk about high stakes. As many have said, I think the homefield advantage may actually work against them. USA 2-1. 3-1 if Lloyd starts over Morgan
Japan was brilliant. A post and crossbar away from advancing.
If France loses Friday they are out of WC and the Olympics next year! Ooof. Talk about high stakes. As many have said, I think the homefield advantage may actually work against them. USA 2-1. 3-1 if Lloyd starts over Morgan
I googled "Makeaplay". I got a site featuring New York City youth basketball coaches. Is that you?
MAGA 101. The belief that YOU are the one being persecuted because you are losing the right to exercise your bigotry without repercussions.
Sheriff Joe
DA
JUNE 26, 2019
Making LGBT a Protected Class Will Kill Religious Liberty
By T.R. Clancy
The current campaign to amend federal and state civil rights laws to extend protections to sexual orientation and gender identity isn't meant to eliminate discrimination — it's meant to eliminate religious freedom.
What else are we to believe when proponents of such amendments tell us as much?
Earlier this month, Michigan State Senator Jeremy Moss introduced legislation to amend the state's civil rights law to add sexual orientation and sexual identity as protected classes. One of the main objections to changing the law before now has been the harm it must do to conscience protections and the free exercise of religion. Like their federal cousin, the Equality Act, these laws can't ensure equality because, as gay writer Brad Polumbo explains, they work by "elevating [LGBT] rights over those of religious Americans."
Senator Moss isn't even pretending this isn't the case. As reported in the Oakland Press, Moss said:
[T]he legislation will not make exceptions for those whose religious beliefs condemn homosexuality and other lifestyles[.] ... That would mean, for example, that a Catholic school that teaches against homosexuality could not discriminate against a homosexual job applicant on the basis of sexual orientation.
Bakery owners and photographers could not refuse to serve a same-sex couple's wedding on the basis of their religious beliefs.
None of this bothers Moss, who "says he is gay as well as a practicing Jew," and doesn't see what the problem is. He "knows plenty of rabbis and other religious leaders who support the legislation." Besides, believers who don't see it his way just don't understand the Bible, or their own faith: "A few passages in the Old Testament (teaching against homosexuality) don't give people the right to discriminate. I don't believe there is a conflict between religious values and treating everyone fairly."
And if it turns out there is a conflict between Moss's ideas about "treating everyone fairly" and someone's religious values, then we'll just ignore the religious values. As David Harsanyi recently noted at The Federalist, "compelling the right kind of speech no longer seems a bothersome prospect to most progressives. Any neutral principles that are inherent in the First Amendment have long been discarded for more pressing matters of social justice." How else could Moss write a law that forces a Catholic school principal to hire a homosexual teacher whose lifestyle contradicts Catholic teaching, and forces a Christian baker to design a cake with a message the baker considers sinful?
Nobody here is reading this.
Thanks for posting this. Good read!
soccerobserver
GOLD
This month\ the Wall Street Journal published an audit of the revenues generated by the USWNT and the USMNT. The article is behind a paywall but the main headline supports the idea of increased pay for the USWNT...From the Wall Street Journal:
"U.S. Women’s Soccer Games Outearned Men’s Games
The 2015 World Cup title was a catalyst to boost women’s game revenues, which in recent years exceeded the men’s
By
Rachel Bachman
June 17, 2019 6:00 am ET
PARIS—In the three years after the U.S. women’s soccer team won the 2015 World Cup, U.S. women’s games generated more total revenue than U.S. men’s games, according to audited financial reports from the U.S. Soccer Federation."
Here is the link but the paywall is an issue: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-womens-soccer-games-out-earned-mens-games-11560765600
"U.S. Women’s Soccer Games Outearned Men’s Games
The 2015 World Cup title was a catalyst to boost women’s game revenues, which in recent years exceeded the men’s
By
Rachel Bachman
June 17, 2019 6:00 am ET
PARIS—In the three years after the U.S. women’s soccer team won the 2015 World Cup, U.S. women’s games generated more total revenue than U.S. men’s games, according to audited financial reports from the U.S. Soccer Federation."
Here is the link but the paywall is an issue: https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-womens-soccer-games-out-earned-mens-games-11560765600
If France loses Friday they are out of WC and the Olympics next year! Ooof. Talk about high stakes. As many have said, I think the homefield advantage may actually work against them. USA 2-1. 3-1 if Lloyd starts over Morgan
4-1 if Press starts over Rapinoe...no, wait a second, since most games are being decided on a PK, Rapinoe probably needs to stay in there.
soccerobserver
GOLD
I have not watched the French team closely but I read that Les Bleus are not playing well leading up to the match on Friday.