US Soccer Team

messy said:
Surprising that he takes that position.
Fortunately, he acknowledges one’s right to kneel during the anthem.
Maybe he will respect the sacrifice that Kap has made...
This was an interesting take...

Former U.S. men's national soccer team coach Bruce Arena said that it's "inappropriate" to play "The Star-Spangled Banner" before sporting events. ... He continued: "We don'tuse the national anthem in movie theaters, on Broadway, other events in the United States.
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It has been tradition for years in Pro sports but in the same article he also says..."I would tell you this ... I'm the most patriotic person you're ever going to be around. As the national team coach, at times, during the national anthem, I was in tears," Arena said on Twellman's show. "Honored to represent the United States in World Cups and international matches. And I think playing the national anthem is clearly appropriate at those levels." Funny how you left that out.

I am not objecting to kneeling on Pro sports teams. That is up to the league and who pays the players. If they want to allow them to do that they take the glory or the hit depending on how it turns out. I am saying if you wear the flag on your uniform and are representing the US in competition it is appropriate to play the anthem and the players should respect it.
 
tjinaz said:
I am saying if you wear the flag on your uniform and are representing the US in competition it is appropriate to play the anthem and the players should respect it.
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That's a fair point, and one I mostly agree with. Ultimately for me though, the US is all about the constitution, individualism, our right to be American, so if you want to kneel, I might disagree, but I 100% support your right to do it.

I will add, I do think that lot is made of the sanctity of the flag/anthem and honoring those who have served, but I can't understand why those same people who are so sanctimonious are not advocating for and protesting about all the domestic insurrectionist statues around the country, about the flying of the battle flag of the confederacy to celebrate armed insurrectionists who cost this country 1M lives ... I guess those people will also be in the "9/11, never forget" brigade. Yeah, I don't get those people. I think they are just confused or sheep or both.
 
tjinaz said:
It has been tradition for years in Pro sports but in the same article he also says..."I would tell you this ... I'm the most patriotic person you're ever going to be around. As the national team coach, at times, during the national anthem, I was in tears," Arena said on Twellman's show. "Honored to represent the United States in World Cups and international matches. And I think playing the national anthem is clearly appropriate at those levels." Funny how you left that out.

I am not objecting to kneeling on Pro sports teams. That is up to the league and who pays the players. If they want to allow them to do that they take the glory or the hit depending on how it turns out. I am saying if you wear the flag on your uniform and are representing the US in competition it is appropriate to play the anthem and the players should respect it.
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You’re troubled that I left out that when the national team plays, he wants the anthem but for every other sporting event, he doesn’t ?
Well, I believe that based upon your above post, we largely agree...the anthem should be played only at USA national team sporting events.
But I do love Megan Rapinoe and she’s a rock star, and I also loved what Tommie Smith and a John Carlos did at the Olympics, so I respect the right of protest, even then.
 
messy said:
You’re troubled that I left out that when the national team plays, he wants the anthem but for every other sporting event, he doesn’t ?
Well, I believe that based upon your above post, we largely agree...the anthem should be played only at USA national team sporting events.
But I do love Megan Rapinoe and she’s a rock star, and I also loved what Tommie Smith and a John Carlos did at the Olympics, so I respect the right of protest, even then.
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There is where we differ. I feel there are many ways to protest without disrespecting the sacrifices of others. Kneeling during the anthem is needlessly provocative and divisive, especially when it honors those of all races that died to ensure you can protest.
 
whatithink said:
That's a fair point, and one I mostly agree with. Ultimately for me though, the US is all about the constitution, individualism, our right to be American, so if you want to kneel, I might disagree, but I 100% support your right to do it.

I will add, I do think that lot is made of the sanctity of the flag/anthem and honoring those who have served, but I can't understand why those same people who are so sanctimonious are not advocating for and protesting about all the domestic insurrectionist statues around the country, about the flying of the battle flag of the confederacy to celebrate armed insurrectionists who cost this country 1M lives ... I guess those people will also be in the "9/11, never forget" brigade. Yeah, I don't get those people. I think they are just confused or sheep or both.
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Different
 
tjinaz said:
There is where we differ. I feel there are many ways to protest without disrespecting the sacrifices of others. Kneeling during the anthem is needlessly provocative and divisive, especially when it honors those of all races that died to ensure you can protest.
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And as to that point, I would ditto what WhatIThink said above.
One of the many benefits of being American is having the right to peacefully protest...
 
messy said:
You’re troubled that I left out that when the national team plays, he wants the anthem but for every other sporting event, he doesn’t ?
Well, I believe that based upon your above post, we largely agree...the anthem should be played only at USA national team sporting events.
But I do love Megan Rapinoe and she’s a rock star, and I also loved what Tommie Smith and a John Carlos did at the Olympics, so I respect the right of protest, even then.
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Pinko.
 
tjinaz said:
It has been tradition for years in Pro sports but in the same article he also says..."I would tell you this ... I'm the most patriotic person you're ever going to be around. As the national team coach, at times, during the national anthem, I was in tears," Arena said on Twellman's show. "Honored to represent the United States in World Cups and international matches. And I think playing the national anthem is clearly appropriate at those levels." Funny how you left that out.

I am not objecting to kneeling on Pro sports teams. That is up to the league and who pays the players. If they want to allow them to do that they take the glory or the hit depending on how it turns out. I am saying if you wear the flag on your uniform and are representing the US in competition it is appropriate to play the anthem and the players should respect it.
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You can only control yourself. You cannot dictate to anyone what the flag or anthem means to them. That is how it is.

For many, the flag is a symbol and reminder of living in a country that is woefully inadequate and failing them. For many of them, it is. For many others, the country has been good to them but they recognize that it fails others miserably. When people try to tell them it isn’t failing anyone and they need to be more respectful of a piece of cloth that represents a nation that is not respectful of them in return, it only breeds more resentment and more kneelers.

When you say kneelers are disrespecting the sacrifices of others, frankly that is just bullshit. There is nothing that requires people to agree that the flag represents the meaning you ascribe to it and want to force upon them. Someone kneeling is no more disrespectful than you failing to kneel because you lack sufficient respect for the kneeler’s belief that the flag represents a country is failing too many of its people.

If you don’t want to support the WNT because Rapinoe or anyone else kneels, great, that’s your right. Great for me also because I don’t have to worry about seated next to you unless you go to Padres games.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Different
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What flag did the Union fight under? What anthem did they play? How exactly is it different? Aren't the Union soldiers who fought and died in the civil war being honored through the flag and by standing for the anthem?

In contrast, the Confederacy wanted to break up the USA, literally. Just so they could continue to own people, and treat them any way they wanted, with impunity - you know work them to death, beat them to death, rape them and so on, whatever they wanted to do with their "property".

You can't have it both way. The honor shown to the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to showing honor to the flag and anthem. It dishonors the lives lost and blood spilt to keep this country together, by those Union soldiers.

I don't see it as different. I see it as rank hypocrisy.
 
whatithink said:
What flag did the Union fight under? What anthem did they play? How exactly is it different? Aren't the Union soldiers who fought and died in the civil war being honored through the flag and by standing for the anthem?

In contrast, the Confederacy wanted to break up the USA, literally. Just so they could continue to own people, and treat them any way they wanted, with impunity - you know work them to death, beat them to death, rape them and so on, whatever they wanted to do with their "property".

You can't have it both way. The honor shown to the Confederacy is a direct contradiction to showing honor to the flag and anthem. It dishonors the lives lost and blood spilt to keep this country together, by those Union soldiers.

I don't see it as different. I see it as rank hypocrisy.
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Can’t change history.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
Can’t change history.
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But you can certainly change people's perception of history. For example, you can raise statues to traitors and paint them as "honorable southern gentlemen". You can make the flag they fought under acceptable and ignore everything it stood for.

It seems you've bought it.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
I knew it.
Everybody loves the dyke is a troll line.
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It's not. Everybody loves Megan Rapinoe. She's a total rock star. Believe me, I wish we had a male soccer player of her talents and charisma. I even bought a T-shirt of her doing that amazing bow after the World Cup goal and I never really care about female athletes.
 
messy said:
It's not. Everybody loves Megan Rapinoe. She's a total rock star. Believe me, I wish we had a male soccer player of her talents and charisma. I even bought a T-shirt of her doing that amazing bow after the World Cup goal and I never really care about female athletes.
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I hope you care now Messy and I hope you don't only care because you have reason too now. That's why I came on this forum in the first place. Treating girl soccer players horrible. I hope you can and your pals also support the girls now since I see you care now. Thank you Messy. Go Megan and go all girls in soccer, whatever level they play.
 
Ellejustus said:
I hope you care now Messy and I hope you don't only care because you have reason too now. That's why I came on this forum in the first place. Treating girl soccer players horrible. I hope you can and your pals also support the girls now since I see you care now. Thank you Messy. Go Megan and go all girls in soccer, whatever level they play.
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The women are total stars. I don’t have daughters and I’m not a women’s sports fan but generation after generation, the USWNT brings us talented and charismatic stars and great teams and I give maximum respect...and Megan’s the best! Why oh why can’t the men’s team be like that?!
 
whatithink said:
But you can certainly change people's perception of history. For example, you can raise statues to traitors and paint them as "honorable southern gentlemen". You can make the flag they fought under acceptable and ignore everything it stood for.

It seems you've bought it.
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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered.
And the process is continuing day by day, minute by minute.
History has stopped.
 
messy said:
The women are total stars. I don’t have daughters and I’m not a women’s sports fan but generation after generation, the USWNT brings us talented and charismatic stars and great teams and I give maximum respect...and Megan’s the best! Why oh why can’t the men’s team be like that?!
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Woman are amazing. I got two amazing one's at my house and they have taught me so much. Woman have a lot to say too and I appreciate them more & more in life and we will be hearing from them soon :)
 
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