U 17 Women's World Cup

pulguita said:
You sure do love the me against the world. Morgan outplayed Sullivan and she will outplay Flemming. Do you really think I don't watch the games? And come on, don't quote a TDS article. We all know they are a POS.
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So you are telling me you have watched more than one or two UCLA games? If you think Morgan Andrews is better than either of them then who is the homer here? How did she do against Emma Fletcher who was dominated by Fleming? I can't wait for Nov 4th. I am going to sit next to you and thoroughly enjoy every minute of it. I like you a lot so we will have to agree to disagree and let the Pac 12 awards and postseason standings tell the tale.
 
Glen said:
Two Germans from NC State in the top 25 of your list, the Maryland kid isn't listed until 36. I guess Cali isn't so clueless.

The number 30 player should be in the top 20, though.
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The number 30 player is a great player and I agree should be higher up the list as with several others. Again this list is a joke. Lots of players too high or too low. Too many players on small conference teams with weak schedules. It's easy to look good against weak teams. To be honest once you get below the top 20-30 teams the play and talent level drops off considerably. The conference coaches will settle it all.
 
Our player selection sucks. One of the Ghanian U17 players, that beat the US is a Californian and plays for Placer United. She is committed to Cal for their 2018 class so apparently Neil McGuire and his staff didn't miss her. How the heck did our YNT staff miss her? As has been said before a good coach could have selected a team of players not chosen by the YNT staff and beaten the US team and advanced further. This is truly a monumental breakdown that no amount of money invested is going to change if the people running the system and doing the identifying aren't changed. Good luck to the U20's but my guess is they are DOA not due to a lack of talent but due to a lack of that other key ingredient to a winning recipe.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-player-profile/abena-aidoo/pid-76949/tab-articles

She wasn't even an unknown as she made the Region IV all tournament team. Just a monumental miss..

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...ar-teams-announced-for-odp-region-iv_aid35773
 
MakeAPlay said:
Our player selection sucks. One of the Ghanian U17 players, that beat the US is a Californian and plays for Placer United. She is committed to Cal for their 2018 class so apparently Neil McGuire and his staff didn't miss her. How the heck did our YNT staff miss her? As has been said before a good coach could have selected a team of players not chosen by the YNT staff and beaten the US team and advanced further. This is truly a monumental breakdown that no amount of money invested is going to change if the people running the system and doing the identifying aren't changed. Good luck to the U20's but my guess is they are DOA not due to a lack of talent but due to a lack of that other key ingredient to a winning recipe.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-player-profile/abena-aidoo/pid-76949/tab-articles

She wasn't even an unknown as she made the Region IV all tournament team. Just a monumental miss..

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...ar-teams-announced-for-odp-region-iv_aid35773
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Wow, you think you know everything about soccer, even more that the national scouts/coaches.
 
Not sure I want to comment here with some of the arguing going on. But what the hey.

1 - I actually thought the US lost to Japan on the defensive side. Actually thought the US could have had 3-4 goals in this game, 2 goals should usually be enough to win. US seemed to lose their players they were guarding, didn't like zone on the corners, just didn't match up vs Japan. Maybe the wrong type of player at defense.

2 - I thought Sanchez was the best player on the US team.

3 - Fleming is an amazing player. Won't compare her to anyone else since I haven't seen many of the others mentioned.
 
socalkdg said:
Not sure I want to comment here with some of the arguing going on. But what the hey.

1 - I actually thought the US lost to Japan on the defensive side. Actually thought the US could have had 3-4 goals in this game, 2 goals should usually be enough to win. US seemed to lose their players they were guarding, didn't like zone on the corners, just didn't match up vs Japan. Maybe the wrong type of player at defense.

2 - I thought Sanchez was the best player on the US team.

3 - Fleming is an amazing player. Won't compare her to anyone else since I haven't seen many of the others mentioned.
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Alright a soccer discussion. Let's take it point by point.

1. I agree that a lot of the problems were defensive but let's not forget that the team essentially played kickball, bypassing the midfield and trying to either boot it to Sanchez or Kuhlman or take it down the wings and try to whip in a cross. I'm not even sure if Pinto touched the ball in the second half against Japan.

2. Sanchez was outstanding but Ivory was the best player in my opinion. She was composed and stopped at least 3 more 1v1 scoring opportunities against Japan alone.

3. Fleming is the real deal. I won't get into what other's do or don't see since I respect different opinions than my own. She is like a scalpel whereas many elite midfielders are like a machete. There is no player in college that does what she does technically in tight spaces. Next year when she has Pugh and Sanchez to thread the ball to she will break the school assist record (13) you heard it here first.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Our player selection sucks. One of the Ghanian U17 players, that beat the US is a Californian and plays for Placer United. She is committed to Cal for their 2018 class so apparently Neil McGuire and his staff didn't miss her. How the heck did our YNT staff miss her? As has been said before a good coach could have selected a team of players not chosen by the YNT staff and beaten the US team and advanced further. This is truly a monumental breakdown that no amount of money invested is going to change if the people running the system and doing the identifying aren't changed. Good luck to the U20's but my guess is they are DOA not due to a lack of talent but due to a lack of that other key ingredient to a winning recipe.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-player-profile/abena-aidoo/pid-76949/tab-articles

She wasn't even an unknown as she made the Region IV all tournament team. Just a monumental miss..

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club...ar-teams-announced-for-odp-region-iv_aid35773
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Dam, YNT coaches and scouts missed her! Yet, the ODP scouts didn't. Try figuring that one out.;)

Be careful make, posters might start calling you a stalker, lol:p
 
socalkdg said:
Not sure I want to comment here with some of the arguing going on. But what the hey.

1 - I actually thought the US lost to Japan on the defensive side. Actually thought the US could have had 3-4 goals in this game, 2 goals should usually be enough to win. US seemed to lose their players they were guarding, didn't like zone on the corners, just didn't match up vs Japan. Maybe the wrong type of player at defense.

2 - I thought Sanchez was the best player on the US team.

3 - Fleming is an amazing player. Won't compare her to anyone else since I haven't seen many of the others mentioned.
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YNT coaches love to convert offensive players into defenders. I know of a talented 5'8" fast, good touch, and athletic ctr defender committed to USC, who was in the YNT U17 player pool. For some reason, BJ didn't select her....she would have been an anchor for the team.
 
NoGoal said:
YNT coaches love to convert offensive players into defenders. I know of a talented 5'8" fast, good touch, and athletic ctr defender committed to USC, who was in the YNT U17 player pool. For some reason, BJ didn't select her....she would have been an anchor for the team.
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Since select-team coaches recruit from stat sheets, the defenders often get overlooked. About the only stat defenders typically lead in is playing time and size. Then it becomes an exercise for the coach to find a fast forward who has the right attitude to be a defender.
 
espola said:
Since select-team coaches recruit from stat sheets, the defenders often get overlooked. About the only stat defenders typically lead in is playing time and size. Then it becomes an exercise for the coach to find a fast forward who has the right attitude to be a defender.
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I agree. Unfortunately being a good forward does not necessarily make one a good defender. The skill of being able to stick a foot in a just the right time to disrupt a skilled dribbler without fouling them is an art that many good dribbling forwards do not have. Some of it comes with experience at the position and some of it is just inborn. Forwards that are not born with that skill and have less experience at defense will have trouble as defenders in high level games.

My take on the US GU17 WNT was that there was very little team chemistry and team play.
 
Just watched the Japan / Korea final. Japan, even though they lost(penalty kicks), seemed to be the better team. One problem they seemed to have was getting any type of power on their shots. An interesting note USA was the only team that was able to score on Japan the whole tournament.
 
outside! said:
My take on the US GU17 WNT was that there was very little team chemistry and team play.
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And there never will be chemistry if the coaches continue to encourage the "competitive" (read: hostile) environment between the players in that age group.
 
outside! said:
I agree. Unfortunately being a good forward does not necessarily make one a good defender. The skill of being able to stick a foot in a just the right time to disrupt a skilled dribbler without fouling them is an art that many good dribbling forwards do not have. Some of it comes with experience at the position and some of it is just inborn. Forwards that are not born with that skill and have less experience at defense will have trouble as defenders in high level games.

My take on the US GU17 WNT was that there was very little team chemistry and team play.
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Against Japan our CBs whacked the ball down field without a plan 10 times in the first 10 minutes. 10 unforced turnovers of possession in the first 10 minutes of the match! Japan seemed to know early we had no ability to hold positive possession. Also the midfielders chosen for this event struggled keeping the ball close with their backs to the defender. The score could have been 6-8 to 2.
 
goldentoe said:
Against Japan our CBs whacked the ball down field without a plan 10 times in the first 10 minutes. 10 unforced turnovers of possession in the first 10 minutes of the match! Japan seemed to know early we had no ability to hold positive possession. Also the midfielders chosen for this event struggled keeping the ball close with their backs to the defender. The score could have been 6-8 to 2.
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Don't place the blame on the players. If that was the strategy then the blame is on BJ Snow.
 
NoGoal said:
Don't place the blame on the players. If that was the strategy then the blame is on BJ Snow.
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I'm just reporting what I saw........I'm not blaming anyone. I root for US soccer, but I have less interest in the U17s becoming successful in World Cup play than I do the Dodgers making it to the World Series.

So, I'm not sure, are you saying "that" was the strategy or "if that was the strategy"? If it wasn't, the players are to blame, and the coach is to blame for letting it happened repeatedly.
 
gkrent said:
And there never will be chemistry if the coaches continue to encourage the "competitive" (read: hostile) environment between the players in that age group.
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The coaching staff brought in over 100 players for evaluation in determining the U17 WC roster. They cut players last minute who had been in the program for years and brought on players completely new to the team. They created an "every player for themselves" mindset and absolutely created a hostile enviroment! As a player, you can't just show up in Jordan and turn that off. The roster was mismanaged, the team played poorly, and after a 2nd failed U17 WC, significant change needs to come.
 
NoGoal said:
Don't place the blame on the players. If that was the strategy then the blame is on BJ Snow.
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You are last person to warn someone about talking about players. Your are an Internet pervert that stalks and then reports on minor children and their parents online.
 
clarino said:
You are last person to warn someone about talking about players. Your are an Internet pervert that stalks and then reports on minor children and their parents online.
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Funny coming from a banned poster (MessiFTW), now posting under your alter ego Clarino, Lorenna Bobbitt and Push-up. :rolleyes:
 
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