Does taking money for appearing on TV make her a "pro" in international soccer rules?
Turning Pro at 13
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Does taking money for appearing on TV make her a "pro" in international soccer rules?
MacDre
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I get it. One of my favorite basketball players is very talented but lacks athleticism so, he didn’t do well professionally. But he’s a YouTube sensation.
The Outlaw *BANNED*
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That's a fun team to watch.
So Olivia has 13 goals in 21 games at u17 as a 2005. Also noticed that at u12 she scored 10 goals for the TFA boys team. Here are the top performers for other u17 teams.
Cal Thorns, 11 goals in 28 games. Player is a 2003.
Crossfire, 11 in 22, 2002.
La Roca, 18 in 27, 2004.
Lamorinda, 15 in 28, 2003.
Placer, 4 in 15, 2002.
Portland Thorns, 14 in 27, 2002.
Reign, 9 in 27, 2003.
San Jose, 8 in 16, 2002.
Albion, 6 in 25, 2002.
Beach 19 in 32, 2003.
Eagles 8 in 28, 2002.
LA Galaxy, 17 in 29, 2002.
Legends, 14 in 27, 2003.
Premier, 13 in 29, 2002
OC Surf 21 in 31, 2003
Pats, 12 in 33, 2003
RSC, 20 in 34, 2002
Surf, 24 in 2007, 2003 (and that girl has only started 23 games)
Del Sol, 12 in 12, 2003.
Blues, 17 in 34, 2003.
Royals, 14 in 32, 2003.
Very few of these totals stand out. I bolded the three that impressed me statistically speaking. What I found very interesting is that most clubs don't have more than one player with double digit goals. Not listing all the other clubs, but Solar has a trio with 51, 33 and 31 goals each, all 2003's. I'm assuming it's bad competition as those three have outscored almost every club in the country by themselves. Tophat tied Solar and their leading scorer has 25 in 25, also a 2003. Maybe more of these girls should be playing up like OM.
Cal Thorns, 11 goals in 28 games. Player is a 2003.
Crossfire, 11 in 22, 2002.
La Roca, 18 in 27, 2004.
Lamorinda, 15 in 28, 2003.
Placer, 4 in 15, 2002.
Portland Thorns, 14 in 27, 2002.
Reign, 9 in 27, 2003.
San Jose, 8 in 16, 2002.
Albion, 6 in 25, 2002.
Beach 19 in 32, 2003.
Eagles 8 in 28, 2002.
LA Galaxy, 17 in 29, 2002.
Legends, 14 in 27, 2003.
Premier, 13 in 29, 2002
OC Surf 21 in 31, 2003
Pats, 12 in 33, 2003
RSC, 20 in 34, 2002
Surf, 24 in 2007, 2003 (and that girl has only started 23 games)
Del Sol, 12 in 12, 2003.
Blues, 17 in 34, 2003.
Royals, 14 in 32, 2003.
Very few of these totals stand out. I bolded the three that impressed me statistically speaking. What I found very interesting is that most clubs don't have more than one player with double digit goals. Not listing all the other clubs, but Solar has a trio with 51, 33 and 31 goals each, all 2003's. I'm assuming it's bad competition as those three have outscored almost every club in the country by themselves. Tophat tied Solar and their leading scorer has 25 in 25, also a 2003. Maybe more of these girls should be playing up like OM.
dk_b
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I don't look at youth soccer statistics so is this something readily available or did you compile from game cards or other sources?
Info is readily available on the dA website. But you will have to look team by team or look at the Standings page and follow the links in the Top 15 section to the age groups you’re looking for.
I am less impressed by how many goals one has scored and more interested in play making abilities in the field and how challenging the opponent is. Anyone can score lots of goals with other teammates dishing you the ball or when playing against a lesser quality opponent. I don’t know that this is the cause for any of the goals posted on the DA website , just making a point that the top goal scorer is not necessarily the unicorn on the field.
I don't disagree, but you can also find unicorns in those stats and certainly that is where many national team players get noticed. Seb Soto had 43 in 25 in his last DA season and of course had 2 today.
I had posted previously about how many top scorers there are on the Girls DA lists that have never gotten one call up to a youth camp. I don’t know how US Soccer explains that because I thought that was the point of the DA- for ID purposes. But then someone else commented in response that you can’t look at the stats and they don’t really tell the story so can’t have it both ways - either those stats mean something and every top goal scorer in the DA should be at a camp or why keep the stats
How many are there that didn’t get a call into Camp or into a Training Center?
So they do invite some of the Top goal scorers from each age group, they don’t completely ignore those stats.
Actually, they do email out the Training Center lists. They are all over FB right now (check the Beach FB page for one).
You have access to the invite list for the actual Camps? For example, do you have the list for the u15 Camp next week, I’d love to see it. Also, Your #’s above aren’t accurate either, at least for the 15’s. I don’t have the list but know a few kids on it.
dk_b
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Until a camp list is published on US Soccer's website or on Top Drawer, sharing it (at least on a BB like this) would violate the social media policy (based on my read of it anyway, unless it has changed). And in NorCal, at least when my kid was of Training Center age (I think SoCal may continue at older ages but maybe not), that list was never public except for specific clubs (in the invite letter). But I don't recall ever seeing any restrictions on that one (I also never recall it ever being shared or people posting about their specific kid)
That’s kinda my point....you don’t know what you do t know.
The "social media policy"? Whose policy is that?
US Soccer
Do you have a copy of that? Or a link to it?
dk_b
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It is common practice to not post about minors on social media without parents consent. I can’t cite specific laws but It is not appropriate to just capriciously post private information about others children without parents consent. The training center lists are not public. Whether parents chose to post their invite letter or email for bragging rights is on them but that is not a reliable source of information.
As I said before a I am not talking about the training centers. Those are meaningless and a waste of time that goes nowhere. I am talking strictly about the YNT camps - those lists are posted online on the US Soccer website each time there is a camp and anyone can look that up.
As I said before a I am not talking about the training centers. Those are meaningless and a waste of time that goes nowhere. I am talking strictly about the YNT camps - those lists are posted online on the US Soccer website each time there is a camp and anyone can look that up.
The Training Centers are a waste of time that goes no where? Is this based on your experience?