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I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...


U.S. and Mexico Nearing Nafta Car Deal, Sources Say
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...re-said-to-be-nearing-deal-in-nafta-car-talks

The U.S. and Mexico are in the final stages of negotiating a deal on rules for cars sold under Nafta, one of the biggest sticking points in discussions to overhaul the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to five people familiar with the talks.

The two sides have exchanged new proposals for the auto industry, and Mexican Economy Minister Ildefonso Guajardo is scheduled to travel to Washington on Thursday for meetings with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, his second visit in as many weeks, according to two of the people who asked not to be identified discussing private negotiations. The people declined to discuss the content of the proposals and said that no agreement has yet been reached.

Mexico in May told the U.S. that it could be flexible on automotive wages and content, including acceptance of a requirement that at least 20 percent of a car’s value would come from higher-paid workers, in exchange for President Donald Trump’s negotiators withdrawing some of their other tougher demands. At the time, Lighthizer said the proposal wasn’t enough for the U.S., which had previously demanded that 40 percent of a car, and 45 percent of trucks, be made by workers earning wages of at least $16 per hour.

Offers on regional content weren’t that far apart. While Mexico was willing to accept 70 percent of car components coming from Nafta countries, up from the current 62.5 percent, the U.S. called for 75 percent. Trump has threatened to impose sweeping new tariffs on imported vehicles in a possible attempt to pressure Mexico and Canada into striking a deal that would help drive manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.

Emily Davis, a spokeswoman for Lighthizer, declined to comment on the automotive negotiations. The press office of Mexico’s economy ministry didn’t immediately comment.

The peso pared losses as the report fueled optimism about a Nafta deal.

Canada Left Out
The talks have taken on a largely two-nation format, with Canada rebuffed in recent attempts to engage with Lighthizer, according to three other people with knowledge of the talks, who also asked not to be named. The Canadian negotiating team led by Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland has been told that the U.S. is focusing on negotiations with Mexico and isn’t interested in engaging with Canada at the moment, according to the people.

Davis said Lighthizer “has great respect for Minister Freeland and considers her a good friend,” pointing out that the Nafta negotiations have had both bilateral and trilateral meetings over the past year.

“In every meeting arrangement, the United States is focused on completing the best possible trade deal as quickly as we can,” Davis said in an emailed response to questions.
 
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I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...
By good you mean like Obama did?
 
I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...
Now if only you were good at understanding how he intends to do that according to your first paragraph. Lol!
 
I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...


Go look at the job numbers for 49 of our States ( excluding California ) it's
working.
As for California, well once a Conservative gets in office that can flush out
the Sacramento Mexican Cartel then maybe something can happen here.
Until then we can all watch as the Liberal Politicians continue to transform
this once Great State into a Socialists Paradise....in the Image of Venezuela.
 
By good you mean like Obama did?

Honestly I would say Obama, Bush and even going back to Clinton were all down with the idea of free trade agreements. And hey, after the fall of the Soviet Empire it makes sense to cut juicy trade deals to coax former communist countries into opening their boarders to trade.

But to go back to my original premise, what do you think of Trumps trade deal with Mexico? Specifically what do you think about free trade deals imposing conditions such as elevated labor costs or environmental regulations? I am not a Trump supporter or even a Republican, but here I do agree some of those past "juicy" trade deals need to be reworked and rethought. Trump appears to understand this and at least with Mexico has come up with a solution that is better for America.
 
I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...
Raising wages in Mexico could help alleviate any need for us to foot the bill for a wall. Also, those from further south would have reason to stop in Mexico and could cause some reverse migration from the US.
 
Honestly I would say Obama, Bush and even going back to Clinton were all down with the idea of free trade agreements. And hey, after the fall of the Soviet Empire it makes sense to cut juicy trade deals to coax former communist countries into opening their boarders to trade.

But to go back to my original premise, what do you think of Trumps trade deal with Mexico? Specifically what do you think about free trade deals imposing conditions such as elevated labor costs or environmental regulations? I am not a Trump supporter or even a Republican, but here I do agree some of those past "juicy" trade deals need to be reworked and rethought. Trump appears to understand this and at least with Mexico has come up with a solution that is better for America.
IDK, but if you like something Trump is doing, it must be fake news.
 
. . . and his response is about the entirety of the intellectual discussion you will get in here from the peanut gallery on anything substantive.
Muahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Starting the day with a little levity from the peanut gallery...thanks Duck.
 
Raising wages in Mexico could help alleviate any need for us to foot the bill for a wall. Also, those from further south would have reason to stop in Mexico and could cause some reverse migration from the US.

Plus a bigger Mexican middle class with more purchasing power could only help American exporters.

Although of course none of this will bring the manufacturing back or changes the fact that the Europeans and Japanese will continue to build cars in Mexico and ship them in as opposed to using more expensive American labor. But it does at least change the conversation away from a race to the bottom. Which I do believe is noteworthy.
 
Plus a bigger Mexican middle class with more purchasing power could only help American exporters.

Although of course none of this will bring the manufacturing back or changes the fact that the Europeans and Japanese will continue to build cars in Mexico and ship them in as opposed to using more expensive American labor. But it does at least change the conversation away from a race to the bottom. Which I do believe is noteworthy.
With globalization and the demise of organized labor we will never again see a burgeoning American middle class. Not a race to the bottom, but more evening of the playing field globally. Our working class will just have to realize the halcyon days of providing for the world like we did post WWII are over. Unless America can come up with some industry exclusivity to once again provide to the world we are just one of them now. One can go anywhere to work with the right skills and be paid well. With the current anti-immigration climate we are no longer the first choice of the brilliant and hardworking from around the globe. There are now other options in less violent places in the world. When you consider infrastructure, healthcare, public safety, education and overall quality of life, there are many options, the USA is still the best, but field is leveling. While much of the world progresses, some countries regress or simply hold their ground.
Our struggle seems to hinge on whether we want to continue to be the, "Shining city on the hill" and the bastion for the tired, the poor and the huddled masses or do we want to close up shop.
 
I was just reading about this new trade agreement Trump is working on with Mexico, and saw some positives. I like for example that from here on out Mexico is going to have to pay 20% of their workers at least $16 an hour. Which is of course way above scale for labor in Mexico.

Rather then giving away another free trade agreement that punishes us for our educated and expensive labor force, I see it as a positive that Trump wants to exert pressure the other way; by raising the wages of our partners/competitors who always seem to under cut us on labor costs.

Now if only Trump was so good at raising wage for Americans...
It would be amazing if it worked. The larger problem is what will be the decline of the auto industry if tariffs are allowed on the industry as a whole. Consumers will not pay $1k or more per cars, and production will slow down. Sure, dealerships can try to lower fees in some way, but it will hit them, too. This is a huge segment of the economy that will suffer and many US production jobs will be at risk.
 
With globalization and the demise of organized labor we will never again see a burgeoning American middle class. Not a race to the bottom, but more evening of the playing field globally. Our working class will just have to realize the halcyon days of providing for the world like we did post WWII are over. Unless America can come up with some industry exclusivity to once again provide to the world we are just one of them now. One can go anywhere to work with the right skills and be paid well. With the current anti-immigration climate we are no longer the first choice of the brilliant and hardworking from around the globe. There are now other options in less violent places in the world. When you consider infrastructure, healthcare, public safety, education and overall quality of life, there are many options, the USA is still the best, but field is leveling. While much of the world progresses, some countries regress or simply hold their ground.
Our struggle seems to hinge on whether we want to continue to be the, "Shining city on the hill" and the bastion for the tired, the poor and the huddled masses or do we want to close up shop.

The US is the best and we still allow more legal emigration than other countries.
What you have determine reminds me of Obama determining that high unemployment & low economic growth are the "new norm"...

James Pethokoukis@JimPethokoukis
June 12, 2014 11:55 am | AEIdeas

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year. That would be a significant downshift from the 3.4% average growth rate from the end of World War II until 2007.
....the 2013 Obama budget declared, “In the 21st Century, real GDP growth in the United States is likely to be permanently slower than it was in earlier eras . . . .”
 
It would be amazing if it worked. The larger problem is what will be the decline of the auto industry if tariffs are allowed on the industry as a whole. Consumers will not pay $1k or more per cars, and production will slow down. Sure, dealerships can try to lower fees in some way, but it will hit them, too. This is a huge segment of the economy that will suffer and many US production jobs will be at risk.
Who did you predict in the 2016 election?
 
It would be amazing if it worked. The larger problem is what will be the decline of the auto industry if tariffs are allowed on the industry as a whole. Consumers will not pay $1k or more per cars, and production will slow down. Sure, dealerships can try to lower fees in some way, but it will hit them, too. This is a huge segment of the economy that will suffer and many US production jobs will be at risk.

I don't know, it's an interesting question. I remember when the State of California announced they were instituting California Emission Standards, and that all cars sold inside the state were going to require a catalytic converters that were something like a $1000 more per car. And as I've never heard anyone complain about a shortage of cars in California, I'll guess that this means people kept right on buying cars.

Likewise, I would think that demanding all cars sold inside the United States be produced by "living wage" labor (i.e. requires all cars to meet some sort of minimum wage for labor that is comparable to what American labor earns), and my instinct is this won't cause a shortage of cars either. Either in terms of the supply or demand side of the equation...
 
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The US is the best and we still allow more legal emigration than other countries.
What you have determine reminds me of Obama determining that high unemployment & low economic growth are the "new norm"...

James Pethokoukis@JimPethokoukis
June 12, 2014 11:55 am | AEIdeas

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year. That would be a significant downshift from the 3.4% average growth rate from the end of World War II until 2007.
....the 2013 Obama budget declared, “In the 21st Century, real GDP growth in the United States is likely to be permanently slower than it was in earlier eras . . . .”

You're talking about one quarter. What do you think the average growth rate for the year will be?
 
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