Today in Fascism

[dad4]

I don't know that I trust those figures because I personally know of a man that died from another malady and got his "COVID" toe tag. My buddy had to raise Hell with the hospital over it. I've never questioned people dying from Covid but I also believe you owe it to yourself to be suspicious when hospitals were getting paid to slap that label on people. It may be inflated, but the American Hospital Association admitted as much.

What upsets me even more is the fact that folks like you refuse to admit the vaccine was rushed, had side effects depending on what manufacturer you used and that bodily autonomy apparently only matters if your political beliefs align. Rachel Madcow gets paid $20M a year on MSN-BS to tell us getting the Covid shot meant you can't give it to someone else. I'd have a lot more respect for Fauci common on and saying, "look... haven't seen this before... this is our best guess and ask that you humbly do your best based on XYZ." Instead, we got a governor trampling every single restriction he put on us. That's fucking bullshit and you know it.

Seems to me the one incapable of contemplating the other side is you.

As predicted, you replied with "why the deaths somehow don't count".

 

[crush]

As predicted, you replied with "why the deaths somehow don't count".

Covid 19 was the flu. The mask, stay 6 feet away and wash hands was done to force the sheep to obey. It was also a satanic ritual for evil people. They laugh at you all day. Fear was and is the virus. You have been wrong about everything. You said I should lose everything, including my job. You will pay it all back, with interest loser!!

 

[watfly]

If you’re actually considering the other side of the issue, let me know your thoughts on the roughly one million excess deaths that happened in the US during the covid years.

You don’t have to use official cause of death. There is plenty of research which simply compares deaths each year, as compared to baseline.

My guess is that neither you, nor anyone else in the “I do what I damn well please” camp, is willing to honestly discuss that part. If you respond at all, you’ll come back with some explanation for why you think they didn’t really die, or why the deaths somehow don’t count.

As I said, incapable of contemplating the other side of the issue.

Excess deaths continue today.

'A national scandal': US excess deaths rose even after pandemic, far outpacing peer countries

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"The 700,000 excess American deaths in 2023 is exactly what you'd predict based on prior rising trends, even if there had never been a pandemic," coauthor Elizabeth Wrigley-Field, PhD, of the University of Minnesota, said in the release. "These deaths are driven by long-running crises in drug overdose, gun violence, car collisions, and preventable cardiometabolic deaths."

However, the number of excess deaths during Covid isn't a relevant counterpoint to our argument. What is relevant is the demographics of who died. 95% of those the CDC identified as dying "from" Covid were sick people (average of 4 comorbidities). Healthy adults and children had little to no risk of dying from Covid. Our policies should have reflected such, we should have never quarantined healthy people and closed schools after the first couple months of the pandemic.

Evidence of the lack of Covid risk:

For Most People, Coronavirus Presents Similar Risks as Car Accidents

Most Michiganders were more likely to die in a car crash than from COVID-19 in 2020

www.mackinac.org

Ironically, car accident deaths increased significantly during the pandemic.

 

[espola]

Not guilty.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/06/politics/sean-dunn-dc-sandwich-thrower-verdict

 

[espola]

Red is ridin dirty.

 

[Desert Hound]

Excess deaths continue today.

'A national scandal': US excess deaths rose even after pandemic, far outpacing peer countries

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"The 700,000 excess American deaths in 2023 is exactly what you'd predict based on prior rising trends, even if there had never been a pandemic," coauthor Elizabeth Wrigley-Field, PhD, of the University of Minnesota, said in the release. "These deaths are driven by long-running crises in drug overdose, gun violence, car collisions, and preventable cardiometabolic deaths."

However, the number of excess deaths during Covid isn't a relevant counterpoint to our argument. What is relevant is the demographics of who died. 95% of those the CDC identified as dying "from" Covid were sick people (average of 4 comorbidities). Healthy adults and children had little to no risk of dying from Covid. Our policies should have reflected such, we should have never quarantined healthy people and closed schools after the first couple months of the pandemic.

Evidence of the lack of Covid risk:

For Most People, Coronavirus Presents Similar Risks as Car Accidents

Most Michiganders were more likely to die in a car crash than from COVID-19 in 2020

www.mackinac.org

Ironically, car accident deaths increased significantly during the pandemic.

From your link.

The 6.9 million people in Michigan who are under 55, about 69% of the state’s population, had a 0.009% chance of dying in a motor vehicle crash in 2019. Their chance of dying from COVID-19 in 2020 was 0.012%, a difference of just 0.003 percentage points. Another way of saying this is that 99.99% of people under 55 in Michigan, no matter their health condition, lived through the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 — nearly the same percentage that lived through all the traffic accidents in 2019.

For younger populations, car crashes were more deadly than COVID-19. For Michiganders under 45, the chance of dying in a car crash in 2019 was almost double that of dying from the coronavirus in 2020. In 2019, the year before the pandemic, 489 people under 45 died in car accidents, while 250 people in this age group died of COVID-19 last year.

People under 25 had an even smaller chance of dying from this new disease, measuring just 0.0005%, or 1 in about 180,000. The risk of dying in a car crash in 2019 for this same group was 0.006%, or 1 in about 17,000. This means that traffic accidents were about 11 times riskier for young people than COVID-19.

And the above stats regarding who was actually at risk was known just 2-3 months into Covid. But authorities and people like @dad4 kept pushing policies that made no sense.